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10 Mar 2009, 12:46 pm

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As for Noah's ark, its dimensions were:

Genesis 6:15 wrote:
And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.


A cubit can be from 16" up to 24", but more usually 18". My cubit, elbow to tip of middle finger, is 19.5". Going with 18", which is 1.5 feet, or 0.4572 meters, would make the Ark be

Length: 300 cubits * 0.4572 m/cubit = 137 meters approx
Height: 30 cubits * 0.4572 m/cubit = 14 meters approx
Width: 50 cubits * 0.4572 m/cubit = 23 meters approx

There are three levels, as per Genesis 6:16, each of them having 137m*23m = 3200 m^2 approx area and the total volume is 137m*14m*23m = about 44,000 cubic meters.

Inferred from Genesis 7:20, the Ark was submersed halfway, making it disperse 22,000 cubic meters of water.

Wow, he must have been very good at stashing animals since even my smallest possible Ark was 60 000 m3. ^^

And what the heck happend to all plants and trees? Mustn't he have had some of those too?

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Adam and Eve were in the beginning, at 1 Anno Mundi.
The Flood occurred at 1656 Anno Mundi.
And the Law was given about 2500 Anno Mundi.

The start of Creation was about 13 billion years ago (or thereabouts). That is if you call the Big Bang creation.

s**t... it must have been very lonely the first 10 billion years or so when they didn't even have a planet to live on. :lol:

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there is not enough water in the poles and the glaciers and the clouds to entirely cover all of earth so that all life would be flooded.
not nearly enough.

Earth Diameter: 12756 km.
Mont Everest: 8, 848 km.

((4π(12756+8,848)^3/3) - (((4π(12756)^3/3) = 18 104 444 580 km3. = 18 104 444 580 000 000 l water. :D
Thats a lot. :lol: i wonder if it was salt or fresh... 8)


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10 Mar 2009, 12:57 pm

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Creationist have in full honesty told me about the "gopher" wood, which has magical properties (being harder than steel and never rusting), and which was used for making the arch. When asked how the hell they were able to cut them down and make them into a ship, they never answered me. Axes made of gopher wood perhaps? :lol:


obviously they use mithril saws :roll:



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10 Mar 2009, 1:21 pm

I asked my dad, a true believer, about what the animals ate on the ark... his response was "God Provided"... then I said, waitaminnit, there are some animals that only eat other dead animals... I asked him, what did the vultures eat?... he puzzled over it for a few minutes, then his eyes lit up, and a big smile crossed his face, and he said "Unicorns!"...



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10 Mar 2009, 1:30 pm

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So, the law concerning incest was given 2.5 millenia after Adam and Eve as well as about 850 years after the Flood. The law is pertinent to genetic mutations and dominant genes of the parents being expressed in the offspring, however it may be that the number of harmful mutations in the genome were minimal at the start of creation, if not nil to begin with by design.


The start of Creation was about 13 billion years ago (or thereabouts). That is if you call the Big Bang creation.

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We currently see galaxies up to around 13.7*10^9th light-years distance away, correct, but I do not call that the time of creation. Even in geology, the earth isn't that old; supposedly about 4.5*10^9 years based on isotope ratios on an asteroid.

I don't call the big bang, based on the Friedmann-Lemaître model, to be the start.

If you can read in context, I refer to the creation described in the Bible.



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10 Mar 2009, 2:00 pm

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So, the law concerning incest was given 2.5 millenia after Adam and Eve as well as about 850 years after the Flood. The law is pertinent to genetic mutations and dominant genes of the parents being expressed in the offspring, however it may be that the number of harmful mutations in the genome were minimal at the start of creation, if not nil to begin with by design.

I'm afraid I can't say a thing about this without sounding like a perv to some, but I ask, is there any dramatization of this somewhere? :P


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10 Mar 2009, 2:13 pm

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I asked my dad, a true believer, about what the animals ate on the ark... his response was "God Provided"... then I said, waitaminnit, there are some animals that only eat other dead animals... I asked him, what did the vultures eat?... he puzzled over it for a few minutes, then his eyes lit up, and a big smile crossed his face, and he said "Unicorns!"...


easy, noah fished up all the dead dinosaurs from the ocean. food for everyone.

pesky dinosaurs. devil's spawn. they got what they had coming to them! besides, w the diversity that has been, the poor pre-flood people couldnt even squeeze themselves out of the cave, without climbing over dinosaurs and wooly rhinos and whatnot :D



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10 Mar 2009, 2:47 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
jrknothead wrote:
I asked my dad, a true believer, about what the animals ate on the ark... his response was "God Provided"... then I said, waitaminnit, there are some animals that only eat other dead animals... I asked him, what did the vultures eat?... he puzzled over it for a few minutes, then his eyes lit up, and a big smile crossed his face, and he said "Unicorns!"...


easy, noah fished up all the dead dinosaurs from the ocean. food for everyone.

pesky dinosaurs. devil's spawn. they got what they had coming to them! besides, w the diversity that has been, the poor pre-flood people couldnt even squeeze themselves out of the cave, without climbing over dinosaurs and wooly rhinos and whatnot


And who save the animals in Australia? How Noah transported those in a few weeks to anywhere in Middle East? Or how they came?

And what about fishes: The most fishes survive either in salty seawater or in freshwater. If the oceans would be flooded with some km of rain water (which is fresh water) than the result would be a diluted seawater in which neither form of fish could survive.



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10 Mar 2009, 2:53 pm

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ZEGH8578 wrote:
jrknothead wrote:
I asked my dad, a true believer, about what the animals ate on the ark... his response was "God Provided"... then I said, waitaminnit, there are some animals that only eat other dead animals... I asked him, what did the vultures eat?... he puzzled over it for a few minutes, then his eyes lit up, and a big smile crossed his face, and he said "Unicorns!"...


easy, noah fished up all the dead dinosaurs from the ocean. food for everyone.

pesky dinosaurs. devil's spawn. they got what they had coming to them! besides, w the diversity that has been, the poor pre-flood people couldnt even squeeze themselves out of the cave, without climbing over dinosaurs and wooly rhinos and whatnot


And who save the animals in Australia? How Noah transported those in a few weeks to anywhere in Middle East? Or how they came?

And what about fishes: The most fishes survive either in salty seawater or in freshwater. If the oceans would be flooded with some km of rain water (which is fresh water) than the result would be a diluted seawater in which neither form of fish could survive.


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10 Mar 2009, 3:16 pm

We also would need to rewrite all math-books. Because: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure round it." (Kings, 7, 23). Ergo the Bible tells us that

π = 3

Just an other prove of god's wisdom that he can separate the infidel, believing that

π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 ...

just because science has shown so by some reasoning. Those burn in hell for eternity! Prise the Lord for His Love!



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10 Mar 2009, 3:23 pm

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We also would need to rewrite all math-books. Because: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure round it." (Kings, 7, 23). Ergo the Bible tells us that

π = 3

Just an other prove of god's wisdom that he can separate the infidel, believing that

π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 ...

just because science has shown so by some reasoning. Those burn in hell for eternity! Prise the Lord for His Love!


not necesarily rewrite, but offer an alternative to "conservative scientific maths", a equally relevant biblical math, lets call it "convenient solutions", along w "intelligent design"

alternative physics class "magic and stuff" could easily explain how water-walking works, alchemy such as wine-making, etc.

alternative medicine "blessings from god" will teach people to cure anything.

religion rules.



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10 Mar 2009, 4:04 pm

Dussel wrote:
We also would need to rewrite all math-books. Because: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure round it." (Kings, 7, 23). Ergo the Bible tells us that

π = 3

Just an other prove of god's wisdom that he can separate the infidel, believing that

π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 ...

just because science has shown so by some reasoning. Those burn in hell for eternity! Prise the Lord for His Love!


"He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure round it." (Kings, 7, 23)

If you have a set of measuring lines, say of various lengths such as 1, 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 units length, then which is the closest to 31.4 units?



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10 Mar 2009, 4:13 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
So, the law concerning incest was given 2.5 millenia after Adam and Eve as well as about 850 years after the Flood. The law is pertinent to genetic mutations and dominant genes of the parents being expressed in the offspring, however it may be that the number of harmful mutations in the genome were minimal at the start of creation, if not nil to begin with by design.

I'm afraid I can't say a thing about this without sounding like a perv to some, but I ask, is there any dramatization of this somewhere? :P

I kinda doubt it. Sorry Greenblue, there are no videos that I know of and I'm not going to search for them. In Genesis there are accounts of close relatives marrying though, such as:

Abraham was married to his half sister Sarah.
Isaac was married to Rebekkah, his first cousin.
Jacob was married to Rachel and Leah, who were also first cousins.

That was up to 2000 years after Adam.
But 2500 years after Adam were the laws against incest given.



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10 Mar 2009, 4:16 pm

Silvervarg wrote:
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there is not enough water in the poles and the glaciers and the clouds to entirely cover all of earth so that all life would be flooded.
not nearly enough.

Earth Diameter: 12756 km.
Mont Everest: 8, 848 km.

((4π(12756+8,848)^3/3) - (((4π(12756)^3/3) = 18 104 444 580 km3. = 18 104 444 580 000 000 l water. :D
Thats a lot. :lol: i wonder if it was salt or fresh... 8)


What happens to the sea level if the land, mountains, and sea basins are made to be level?



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10 Mar 2009, 4:20 pm

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Dussel wrote:
We also would need to rewrite all math-books. Because: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure round it." (Kings, 7, 23). Ergo the Bible tells us that

π = 3

Just an other prove of god's wisdom that he can separate the infidel, believing that

π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 ...

just because science has shown so by some reasoning. Those burn in hell for eternity! Prise the Lord for His Love!


not necesarily rewrite, but offer an alternative to "conservative scientific maths", a equally relevant biblical math, lets call it "convenient solutions", along w "intelligent design"


Or just warning statement in the textbooks in school:

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10 Mar 2009, 4:24 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Dussel wrote:
We also would need to rewrite all math-books. Because: "He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure round it." (Kings, 7, 23). Ergo the Bible tells us that

π = 3

Just an other prove of god's wisdom that he can separate the infidel, believing that

π = 3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751058209749445923 ...

just because science has shown so by some reasoning. Those burn in hell for eternity! Prise the Lord for His Love!


"He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure round it." (Kings, 7, 23)

If you have a set of measuring lines, say of various lengths such as 1, 5, 10, 20, 30, 40 units length, then which is the closest to 31.4 units?


If you would interpret it this way, the text should say something like "It took a line of 32(35, 40) cubits to measure round it."



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10 Mar 2009, 5:04 pm

There's also the issue of whether the book of Kings is meant to be a history book or a geometry (or even architecture) textbook. Using an approximation, as by the closest length of rope here, or even rounding to the nearest hundred on a census, is far from a logical paradox which some dodgy characters would seem to have it to be.