Aspies have it as bad as blacks, gays/lesbians

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22 Mar 2009, 1:15 pm

I don't really buy it; the 'oppression model' of African Americans has been borrowed and used (and abused) more than a library book. In fact, many African Americans report feeling angry over everyone comparing their 'oppression experience' to them.

I've never been enslaved (in fact, a few generations back my family were slave owners...both sides...) hosed down, shot at, had dogs sicced on me (sic), denied housing, jobs, etc., because I'm 'eccentric'.

I really feel there isn't a very large segment of the population who could even recognize AS, much less have a specific prejudice against it.



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22 Mar 2009, 1:15 pm

^^Well your first statement is probably true. Women tend to feel an inherent uneasiness around straight men they dont know REALLY well or arent attracted to because of their intrinsic anxiety about rape. In the eyes of women, gay men are not a sexual threat since they're not attracted to women and so women dont judge them as harshly. Im not so sure about 2nd statement. If you were gay you'd most likely have no trouble finding sex partners.I have yet to come across a desperate gay guy, either online or IRL.



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22 Mar 2009, 3:53 pm

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American culture expects its members to be social and strongly disfavors those who arent. So I would say that there most definitely IS active bias and discrimination against people who dont have good social skills; EVEN among "elightened" open minded liberals and leftists. :x


This is a matter for education, the bias is only lack of understanding. The same was true of disabled people when I was growing up. They were called spacs and phlids, shunned and laughed at. A concerted effort to address this lack of understanding has made a huge difference. The same may be true for Aspergers, although I think all this whining about how nasty the NT's are to us does not help our cause one Iota. If we want the general population to go to the trouble of understanding and compensating for our syndrome maybe we should try to do the same.

Stop whining and try to fit in, speak about the syndrome and try to educate people about the problems you face. I do, everyone I have spoken with has been interested and keen to learn. Shutting ourselves off like hermits and crying about the nasty NTs is not going to solve the problem.

Its very difficult for people to help or be understanding when they have little or no knowledge of the issue.

To think that we have it as tough as Homosexuals is laughable. Unless you have not read the news recently, gay marriage got voted down in California, not by the government but by the general population.


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22 Mar 2009, 4:25 pm

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Its very difficult for people to help or be understanding when they have little or no knowledge of the issue. To think that we have it as tough as Homosexuals is laughable.


indeed. We have it tougher. There's quite a difference between the gay/lesbian in a relationship and enjoying sex (even if in California there is a popular vote banning a court-mandated gay marriage) and the male hetero Aspie who is unable to attract a woman, let alone have sex.



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22 Mar 2009, 4:46 pm

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American culture expects its members to be social and strongly disfavors those who arent. So I would say that there most definitely IS active bias and discrimination against people who dont have good social skills; EVEN among "elightened" open minded liberals and leftists. :x


This is a matter for education, the bias is only lack of understanding. The same was true of disabled people when I was growing up. They were called spacs and phlids, shunned and laughed at. A concerted effort to address this lack of understanding has made a huge difference. The same may be true for Aspergers, although I think all this whining about how nasty the NT's are to us does not help our cause one Iota. If we want the general population to go to the trouble of understanding and compensating for our syndrome maybe we should try to do the same.

Stop whining and try to fit in, speak about the syndrome and try to educate people about the problems you face. I do, everyone I have spoken with has been interested and keen to learn. Shutting ourselves off like hermits and crying about the nasty NTs is not going to solve the problem.

Its very difficult for people to help or be understanding when they have little or no knowledge of the issue.

To think that we have it as tough as Homosexuals is laughable. Unless you have not read the news recently, gay marriage got voted down in California, not by the government but by the general population.


What pisses me off is how gays and straight women in America think that they are entitled to whine and complain and then get all butthurt when someone from another group decides to speak out about their resentment towards how they're being treated. Stop whining and try to fit in you say? Im afraid I cant do that because my Asperger Syndrome makes me visibly abnormal. You have a valid point about whining but so help me, if I dont get to whine and have "victim status" then damnit Im NOT going to put up with anyone else having it either! :D If aspies should fit in then WHY the hell should gays? WHY do they feel the need to flaunt themselves in the most obvious and obnoxious possible ways? I think you have a lot of NERVE to tell aspies not to complain about their troubles while at the same time pay lip service to gay victim status.. :x



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22 Mar 2009, 4:57 pm

It's because people are often jealous of their own rights. I don't understand why gay/lesbian/bisexual want to compare themselves to other minorities when all minorities aren't minorities for the same reason. One minority group tends to think they have it worse than the others they all start competing and resenting whining from other groups.



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22 Mar 2009, 5:01 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's because people are often jealous of their own rights. I don't understand why gay/lesbian/bisexual want to compare themselves to other minorities when all minorities aren't minorities for the same reason. One minority group tends to think they have it worse than the others they all start competing and resenting whining from other groups.


DentArthurDent's above post shows the blatant hypocrisy of political correctness. ONLY groups that have been awarded "victim status" get to whine and complain and everyone else should just deal with it ....:roll:
Seriously, WHY cant catty, effete, flamboyant fags just STFU and fit in???



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22 Mar 2009, 5:08 pm

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DentArthurDent's above post shows the blatant hypocrisy of political correctness. ONLY groups that have been awarded "victim status" get to whine and complain and everyone else should just deal with it ....:roll:
Seriously, WHY cant catty, effete, flamboyant fags just STFU and fit in???


I agree completely I think we should all be free to whine if that's what makes us happy.
My theory is the people who complain about other's whining are the ones guilty of what the others are whining about. Like, let's say you are gay but have a prejudice against blacks. You are more likely going to accuse blacks of whining even though they are doing the same thing as gays, complaining about discrimination over something they cannot help.
If you are black and have a prejudice against gays, you are more than likely not going to be sympathetic to the plight of gays even though they're a minority who get's discriminated against too.



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22 Mar 2009, 5:13 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Haliphron wrote:

DentArthurDent's above post shows the blatant hypocrisy of political correctness. ONLY groups that have been awarded "victim status" get to whine and complain and everyone else should just deal with it ....:roll:
Seriously, WHY cant catty, effete, flamboyant fags just STFU and fit in???


I agree completely I think we should all be free to whine if that's what makes us happy.
My theory is the people who complain about other's whining are the ones guilty of what the others are whining about. Like, let's say you are gay but have a prejudice against blacks. You are more likely going to accuse blacks of whining even though they are doing the same thing as gays, complaining about discrimination over something they cannot help.
If you are black and have a prejudice against gays, you are more than likely not going to be sympathetic to the plight of gays even though they're a minority who get's discriminated against too.


Or maybe its cuz Ive had effete gay men discriminate against me and insult me(online at AFF) for being socially inept. Then when I strike back at their weaknesses they get all butthurt and javascript:emoticon(':evil:')act like the victim, and everyone else goes along with them.... :evil:



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22 Mar 2009, 5:26 pm

I didn't mean you are prejudice, Haliphron, I'm under the impression you dislike the way they frown upon anyone but themselves complaining and I know what you mean. I've noticed that too.
I can think of one example of a guy claiming to be gay and griping about people not accepting gays and he was one of the most unaccepting people around. Talk about hypocrisy. Who would of thought?



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22 Mar 2009, 5:54 pm

Aspies do have it worse then blacks. Generally I don't have anyone being racist to me, but I get lots of grief as the result of having Aspergers.



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22 Mar 2009, 7:33 pm

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Aspies do have it worse then blacks. Generally I don't have anyone being racist to me, but I get lots of grief as the result of having Aspergers.


Compare the treatment of Aspies to homosexuals. Have any Aspies been dragged to death by pick-up trucks driven by red-necks or wrapped in barbed wire? Have holigans physically assaulted Aspies, to your knowledge. Do police beat up on Aspies? Think about it.

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22 Mar 2009, 7:54 pm

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Aspie_Chav wrote:
Aspies do have it worse then blacks. Generally I don't have anyone being racist to me, but I get lots of grief as the result of having Aspergers.


Compare the treatment of Aspies to homosexuals. Have any Aspies been or wrapped in barbed wire? Have holigans physically assaulted Aspies, to your knowledge. Do police beat up on Aspies?

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The answer to all of these questions is Yes. I am cooperative with police but that DOESNT change the fact that they frequently pull me over when Im driving through town or on Interstate 5 AND the campus police often stop and question me. A LOT of the grief people have given me as an indirect result of my aspergers seems to come from NT Women who are easily frightened by men with unusual behaviours for no good reason.



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22 Mar 2009, 7:57 pm

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Nonsense. I don't see hooligans going out and beating up Aspies.


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wow. i aggree!

comparing aspies to blacks and gays is lame. just cus theyre social, doesnt mean theyre having a fantastic time.
what about aspie blacks? :b

this is like saying "aspies have it worse than the jews during holocaust, cus they were all socializing and making friends"

haliphron: are you serious? how do you think cops treat "NT"s? i know about 1 black guy here, who got strangled to death by cops, for getting upset at a welfare office. he wasnt trashing stuff, just resisting. not aspie.
i know one guy, who got repeatedly punched in the face by cops. not aspie.
my brother got dragged to the jailcell, cus he was with a friend of his who got arrested for posession. my brother was clean, dragged of anyway: not aspie.

thinking that C O P S are hard on you cus your aspie, or that they would be LESS hard on you, for being aspie is LAME.
my god, how lame it is.
cops treat NOBODY special, why should they treat aspies more specially than blacks or gays? why discriminate? theyre cops.
next time, argue this with black people, how cops are so much more unfair with aspies, than with anybody else :roll:


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22 Mar 2009, 8:27 pm

What happens is people call the cops and report. That is what gets you watched. People can report for so many reasons, doesn't have to be because you are doing anything. Just being "suspicious" in the eyes of another is enough for them to call the cops and report you. Then the cops patrol and keep their eye on you. Doesn't mean you actually broke the law.



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22 Mar 2009, 8:36 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
What happens is people call the cops and report. That is what gets you watched. People can report for so many reasons, doesn't have to be because you are doing anything. Just being "suspicious" in the eyes of another is enough for them to call the cops and report you. Then the cops patrol and keep their eye on you. Doesn't mean you actually broke the law.


where does this happen? and SO frequently, that its comparable to the persecution of blacks and gays? this is ridiculous, seriously.

what about the countless of arrests, cus a black driver drives an expensive car, or SHOOTINGS cus a black guy reaches for his ID?
in spain, 2-3 years ago nazis poured gasoline over a black guy, and lit him on FIRE. IN PUBLIC.
"yeah, that happens to aspies all the time."

you guys are just fishing for more reasons to feel persecuted and hunted down. its nothing but paranoia, at best.


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