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31 Mar 2009, 8:22 pm

well they can look for a new currency all they want, but i doubt they'll be buying up euros. our economies are to intergrated for them to act like b*****s and they know it. if we go down who do you think will buy all there nasty ass low cost consumer goods? oh please son outta my face with it


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01 Apr 2009, 3:34 am

richardbenson wrote:
well they can look for a new currency all they want, but i doubt they'll be buying up euros.


There is a constitutional difference in the set-up of the European Central Bank (ECB) and FED: The FED is govern by the Federal Reserve Act. There the US-$ is under total control of the US-lawmaker if the lawmaker wants to execute his power.

The ECB is govern by statute in the form of an international treaty between the member states of the EU. So you need the agreement of all 27 lawmakers of the EU to amend it - in practical terms impossible.

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There is an other difference: The FED-act defines in Sec 2a the task of FED:

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The Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Federal Open Market Committee shall maintain long run growth of the monetary and credit aggregates commensurate with the economy's long run potential to increase production, so as to promote effectively the goals of maximum employment, stable prices, and moderate long-term interest rates.


Art. 2 of the Statute of the ECB defines:

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In accordance with Article 105(1) of this Treaty, the primary objective of the ESCB shall be to maintain price stability. Without
prejudice to the objective of price stability, it shall support the general economic policies in the Community with a view to
contributing to the achievement of the objectives of the Community as laid down in Article 2 of this Treaty. The ESCB shall act
in accordance with the principle of an open market economy with free competition, favouring an efficient allocation of resources,
and in compliance with the principles set out in Article 4 of this Treaty.


This is very important twist: The stability of the currency for the ECB the primary goal, all other task are only relevant if this goal is fulfilled. For the FED it is only one goal besides others.

According to this construction: Even if the European economy would go down the drain, the ECB still will keep the Euro stable. The FED may would let go the dollar down the drain, to rescue the economy or the government. This is forbidden for the ECB.



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01 Apr 2009, 8:33 am

but just wait until people find out paper money isnt worth the whatever its printed on, this means that no country has ever suceeded using paper currency. what makes us think we are so different? didnt rome use paper monies? i cant remember


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01 Apr 2009, 8:45 am

richardbenson wrote:
but just wait until people find out paper money isnt worth the whatever its printed on, this means that no country has ever suceeded using paper currency. what makes us think we are so different? didnt rome use paper monies? i cant remember


Good lord! How old are you?



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01 Apr 2009, 8:50 am

richardbenson wrote:
but just wait until people find out paper money isnt worth the whatever its printed on, this means that no country has ever suceeded using paper currency.


That is just not true: England (and later the UK) worked very well with paper money since the late 17th century, the Amsterdamsche Wisselbank worked very successful from 1609 till the 1820, when the De Nederlandse Bank took over the issuing of banknotes for the Netherlands - a task the De Nederlandse Bank fulfilled till the introduction of the Euro.

You find historically much more trouble with gold and silver currencies. The history of the Pound Sterling during the War of Roses and the reign of Henry VII, the troublesome story of the Taler-Currencies in 17th century, the measurements of Elizabeth I to link certain payments to price of grain are fine examples.



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01 Apr 2009, 8:58 am

oh well that is very intresting. i thought all countrys that used paper monies eventually failed :)


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01 Apr 2009, 9:10 am

richardbenson wrote:
oh well that is very intresting. i thought all countrys that used paper monies eventually failed :)


Gold or silver coins, or banknotes, failed if politicians (or monarchs) were given too much control on currency issues.

It was always the case when currencies failed: And there is in this respect not a big difference between the devaluation of the Pound Sterling under Henry VIII or the printing press of later generations. If banknotes are issued responsible, they are as stable as good maintained gold or silver currency, but with a higher flexibility in respect of acute needs.