Why so many Christians in an AS forum?

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Actually, that can be debated, however, I did say "seems" rather than "is", so I was not trying to make some philosophical statement so much as a sociological one.

In any case, most non-religious people don't really try to take on the cosmological argument for God, but rather ignore it to take the existence of the universe as a brute fact. So, ascribing them the string theory view seems problematic. Instead they see the world this way: can all of the facts of the world I find relevant be explained(or even explained better) without appealing to something outside of a naturalistic conception? If yes, then no God. They say yes due to a lack of miracles, and due to the existence of a level of imperfection that is beyond what they think a powerful being would tolerate.

Finally, most conceptions of God are either complex, such as the Christian God who is triune, incarnated, having miraculous spiritual servants, performing past unverified miracles, having a complex moral system that disagrees with the intuitions of some, and having particular historical geographic bias, or they are just Gods of the gaps, such as the Deist God who only exists to solve the historical proofs of God and who has nothing else to recommend him and thus seems ad hoc. Perhaps you have shown that my set of metrics is underdeveloped, but it probably does work for the thought processes of atheists given that vibratetogether and anna-banana seem to support the idea that Ockham's razor favors atheism. Sand invokes ad hocness though, so I could be better supported by including that metric as well.

I'm a moderate Christian (Lutheran).

Actually, I think the reason why some aspies(and other people with lifelong hardships)turn to religion has to do with the fact that faith helps people cope with things that they dont have any control over. Because being in touch with reality makes you keenly aware of that the fact that knowlege isnt always power.

Good replies so far. I think my future responses require coffee, so I will return shortly.

Update : Coffee-fueled edit coming shortly.

This, that was a superb analogy Sand.



Well, I'm not technically atheist, I consider myself agnostic. I accept the possibility of just about anything. But I know what you're getting at. I have a great respect for science, and I might be more likely to look into theological possibilities if religion could find a way to co-exist with science. As is, it seems that science and religion are at odds with one another. There is an attempt to bridge this gap in Intelligent Design, but that actually turns me off even more, because ID is not held to a scientific standard (not even close).



I definitely agree with this, but it's interesting. This would actually suggest to me that people with AS are more likely to find religion. My life hasn't been a massive struggle, but it hasn't been easy living in an NT world, and I know I'm not alone in this. The AS group I went to briefly had 5 other regulars, and I would say that only one of them was happy, and 2 were miserable.



Well, considering your reply was very thoughtful and accepting of other world views, I would say you're moderate. I definitely appreciate this sort of candor over the ACCEPT JESUS NOW crowd.







Absolutely. Unfortunately, adopting an atheist or agnostic worldview does not instantly turn you into a good person, just as adopting a theistic worldview does not instantly turn you into a good person.



I'm somewhat offended by this. Although the American version of Christianity is generally non-violent (with the exception of some abortion activists), Christianity has a history of as much violence, if not more, than the Muslim faith. Just as there are moderate and extremist Christians, there are moderate and extremist Muslims. It is very unfair to paint their entire faith as forceful or violent, as it is not.



You know, I actually had a sneaking suspicion of this as well at first glance.



*constructs non-theist force field*



I think you just went over my head a little, which doesn't seem to happen very often. I feel like I can see people's intentions, but considering I see most people's intentions as selfish or evil (my version of evil), it may just be a manifestation of my cynicism.



I don't think I agree with this. To me, using Occam's Razor results in agnosticism. Saying "God did it" is quite simple, but it brings up a lot of other questions that complicate things quickly. My simple truth is this : theistic knowledge is intangible, humans cannot comprehend the intangible, and therefore humans cannot have theistic knowledge, it's merely experience and opinion.



You are the undisputed king of analogies.



Hey, I just said that!



This X1000. I've tried to put myself into the mindset of a Christian, and the conclusion I came to was that if there is a Christian god, a Christian heaven and a Christian hell, then God is an as*hole. **** that guy.



Father was Catholic, mother was Christian (also Lutheran I think). I was actually raised Unitarian and later Unitarian Universalist. I think I actually turned my parents away from religion (though going from Catholic/Christian to Unitarian Universalist shows they were on the path).



Real-time message boards ftw.



I am spoiled, drip-coffee from coffee stand place.

Last edited by vibratetogether on 28 Mar 2009, 4:08 pm, edited 1 time in total.

lol this isn't Twitter!

I hope it's real ground coffee not that instant stuff. Now there is a topic for PPR, we can argue the virtues of instant vs real coffee

I'm a believer - I believe in using ground coffee. Mmmm smell that coffee.

instant coffee is not coffee! I keep my beans in the fridge, preserves the smell

Oh wow, did you see that last post by that vibratetogether guy? It just got a LOT longer.

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just stumbled upon this article that seems to proove my theory

feels good to be right :p

anyway, that's another proof for why people with ASDs are less prone to religious beliefs.

I am a very logical minded aspie and I was as religious upto the age of 24. The obvious doubt such as,' if there was a god how comes I cannot see him or if there is a god, why do bad things happen' did not and still isn't a solid argument. However, I did become an atheist by logic that many of you guys are unaware of or question that you never thought of.

I don't think being aspie has got any relation to being or being not religious. We find our way through life as every human being does, looking for a sense or giving up about it being possible. Above all we are individuals. As far as I am concerned, I believe there is a sense, I admit I wouldn't be able to carry on in a meaning less life. I find it very human, and an aspie is still human, don't you think?

Dismissing religious beliefs as being "silly choices" or due to lack of "a better feel for the way things actually work" it's quite naive (at least). Those are not moderate thoughts. Maybe you can reelaborate saying that you do not share the religious point of view about life and reality.

I never forget we are dwarfs standing on the shoulder of giants ("One who develops future intellectual pursuits by understanding the research and works created by notable thinkers of the past"; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standing_o ... _of_giants).

Religion is quite a deep and complex issue everybody can make an opinion about. Aspies included.

I think some Aspies gravitate towards Christianity because of the tendency to think in absolutes or "black and white" answers. Coupled with at times, a higher sense of morality, and a desire to "fit in". How many preachers do you think are undiagnosed Aspies?