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13 Apr 2009, 4:33 pm

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I'm just making an observation doll. :lol: :lol: :lol:
Me too.


You win.

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13 Apr 2009, 4:47 pm

Huh?



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13 Apr 2009, 5:02 pm

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Huh?


Just ignore that vibratetogether guy, he's an odd one.



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13 Apr 2009, 5:06 pm

Yeah. That Claire is a weird duck too. :lol:



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13 Apr 2009, 5:12 pm

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Orwell is our only atheist.

I thought Orwell was an awesomelygloriousist.


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13 Apr 2009, 5:15 pm

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There are no atheists on WP

that or/and there are no atheists in foxholes.


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13 Apr 2009, 5:18 pm

I actually never believed in a god of any type, even when I was a little girl. I lumped the "God" that I was taught about at my private Episcopalian preschool (Thanks a lot, mom and dad...) with the ones I liked reading about on my own in mythology books, Athena and Archangels side-by side as make believe pretend fun.
Now that I'm an adult, I joke about religion a lot (I take my "official" religious title from an interview with Philip Glass) but I'm a happy Atheist. I used to be reluctant to associate myself with the label because many people then assumed I was a crazed anti faith bigot who wanted to overthrow all religions. But then I took on the label realizing it really didn't matter what people assumed, I could just try and time myself to see how long it took for me to shatter their stereotypes. :wink:



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13 Apr 2009, 6:17 pm

i believe god was a alien, and while he might have handed down some rules to live by men got it wrong most of the time


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13 Apr 2009, 7:22 pm

im sortova nihilistic atheist.

:)


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13 Apr 2009, 7:45 pm

Is this some kind of an atheist cult?

I'm going to count myself as agnostic just so I don't get brainwashed by you guys...... :shameonyou:


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13 Apr 2009, 8:21 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
Is this some kind of an atheist cult?

I'm going to count myself as agnostic just so I don't get brainwashed by you guys...... :shameonyou:


we wear robes, and perform rituals to praise the

ENERGY

for that is how we must refer to the

ENERGY.

there are some rivaling factions, who worship some atom-god, and some fruitcakes who rant on about "the lord of random events", but the latter group was mostly destroyed in our previous war.


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14 Apr 2009, 1:20 am

ZEGH8578 wrote:
im sortova nihilistic atheist.

:)


Nitpicking to follow...

Nihilism - "A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated."

Considering this definition, I suppose you could be a nihilistic agnostic, but I think nihilistic atheist is a contradiction.



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14 Apr 2009, 2:02 am

vibratetogether wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
im sortova nihilistic atheist.

:)


Nitpicking to follow...

Nihilism - "A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated."

Considering this definition, I suppose you could be a nihilistic agnostic, but I think nihilistic atheist is a contradiction.

Does a nihilist believe in god?


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14 Apr 2009, 3:09 am

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vibratetogether wrote:
ZEGH8578 wrote:
im sortova nihilistic atheist.

:)


Nitpicking to follow...

Nihilism - "A doctrine holding that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated."

Considering this definition, I suppose you could be a nihilistic agnostic, but I think nihilistic atheist is a contradiction.

Does a nihilist believe in god?


Ooooooh :D :D :D

Super-awesome question.

I would say he does not believe in God, but he also does not not believe in God. I know that's a double negative, but here's one of my AS quirks, I find meaning in most double negatives.

He does not purport knowledge of God, but he also does not purport knowledge of no God.



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14 Apr 2009, 5:18 am

vibratetogether wrote:
Super-awesome question.

I would say he does not believe in God, but he also does not not believe in God. I know that's a double negative, but here's one of my AS quirks, I find meaning in most double negatives.

He does not purport knowledge of God, but he also does not purport knowledge of no God.

Well, the nihilist has abolished God and all concepts related to God, so even referring to one's own nihilism means that God does not exist(for most variants of self-proclaimed nihilist). I mean, there are many forms of nihilism:
existential nihilism- meaning does not exist, therefore God does not exist
mereological nihilism- objects with parts do not exist, and the perception of them is just a brain issue where we do not see the parts.
epistemological nihilism- is an extreme form of skepticism in which all knowledge is denied
moral nihilism- no moral values exist, ergo no God exists
metaphysical nihilism- no objects exist in either another possible world, or even existence does not exist
(other forms, but often similar to mereological nihilism, in that they just remove one property of the world as they see it as silly, I think one is perforational nihilism, where holes do not really exist)

Now a mereological nihilism is compatible with God. In fact, I think Christian philosopher Peter van Inwagen holds to mereological nihilism, as it only has to do with composite objects, such as chairs and such do not really exist. (I think human beings are assumed to have emergent properties)

Epistemological nihilism and extreme metaphysical nihilism might be agnostic simply because knowledge is assumed not to exist.

Milder variants of metaphysical nihilism will probably be nihilist, as God controls all possible worlds, so nothing existing would not be a possibility.

Existential and moral nihilism are considered incompatible with nihilism, and those 2 are often what we label people as being nihilist with.

Very few people claim to be epistemological nihilists as they could not have then said they were. Metaphysical nihilists exist but claim they don't exist and so wouldn't call themselves nihilists. So the agnostic forms of nihilism would never admit to being there.

Now, I would bet that ZEGH is not referring to being a mereological nihilism, although he might be fine admitting that there isn't some "chairness" that makes what he is sitting on to be a chair. I think he refers to a moral or existential nihilism where necessary properties for God's existence do not exist.



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14 Apr 2009, 10:02 am

richardbenson wrote:
i believe god was a alien, and while he might have handed down some rules to live by men got it wrong most of the time


Very close to my belief. God is an extra-terrestrial who violated the Prime Directive. The Powers that Were beamed down the ten commandments to Moses who immediately mistranslated them to proto-Hebrew.

I have little doubt the Hebrew patriarchs and prophets had dealings with advanced beings who eventually gave up on the human race. The Gnostics on the other hand wondered who were the Gods of the Gods. It is a vain quest to seek answers to that.

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