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19 Apr 2009, 1:37 pm

what a stupid post? how? my comparissons to legalizing drugs with murderers? it might aswell be like that if you legalize all drugs



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19 Apr 2009, 1:40 pm

Here where I live, marijuana has been more or less "legalized", which is to say, the police have been instructed to nearly ignore it: "If you see a guy smoking weed, and then you see a jaywalker crossing the street, you nab the jaywalker". Medical weed is also legalized, which relieves me, it was the only thing that eased my late father's suffering when he was dying of cancer.
Drugs like PCP and methamphetamine I'm a little more hesitant towards legalization though, because I've seen how violent and out of control people get when they're under their influence. But the same can be said about alcohol, so I really don't have a leg to stand on.



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19 Apr 2009, 1:42 pm

weed should be legalized. ive never met one violent pot head in my life



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19 Apr 2009, 1:44 pm

richardbenson wrote:
what a stupid post? how? my comparrions to legalizing drugs to murderers? it might aswell be like that if you legalize all drugs



Comparing the legalization of drugs to letting killers go free is RIDICULOUS. Analogies are only valid if they have some basis in reality. One of the reasons I oppose the drug war is because A)Its NOT working and B)I DONT EFFING WANNA PAY FOR IT!
The drug war has been scaled back because of the need to devote those resources to the War on Terror. And the result is that states are using *drug courts* as an alternative to incarceration which has helped to alleviate overcrowding in prisons. Really, do you want your tax dollars being used to keep someone incarcerated for smoking(or selling) pot? I certainly DONT. The drug war continues NOT because its effective, but because it was a source of money for certain government employees AND it was profitable for those working in the prison biz.



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19 Apr 2009, 1:50 pm

i'll use any analogy i want. because its my opinion, just because something doesnt work or is currently not working doesnt mean you should make something like smoking crack legal. clean or not, who would regulate it? the government? they cant even take care of things that are simple. wich is why they arent in the banking business, look at medicaid and govenrment healthcare. your seriosuly delusional if you think they can regulate anything



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19 Apr 2009, 1:53 pm

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the things im pulling out of my ass is called common sence. if you suddenly make all drugs legal a whole lot of people are going to want to get involved with them.


Based on what? Your intuition? Do you want to try drugs, and yet haven't because they're illegal? Most of the kinds of people who are curious about drugs don't let the law stop them, as evidenced by our massive drug offender population in prison and the easy availability of the "prohibited items" on the street.

Just for s**ts and giggles though, let's assume you're right, tons of people go out an try drugs, so what? Millions of people in this country drink, smoke, take supplements, drink energy drinks or take legal mood altering drugs, the country hasn't fallen apart yet. What makes drugs so destructive is not the drugs themselves, but the way the legal system treats drug offenders. Because trafficking in drugs carries risk, the price of the drugs is artificially inflated to the point where people have to turn to petty crime to support their habit, and the dealers themselves have to be ruthless among themselves and their customers to maintain their position in their chosen market. Take the risk out of it, and the price falls out of drugs, there's no longer any reason to steal or sell yourself to support a habit, you can do it on McDonald's wages now. Same thing with the dealers, is it worth killing each other over the right to sell a product that isn't worth anything? The addictiveness of drugs is also highly overrated, and the people who are most likely to become addicted are the same people who are likely to become addicted to booze, cigarettes, gambling, etc, take the less unpleasant elements out of it and drug adiction isn't the worst thing in the world. Wouldn't you rather have a few more people who might be addicted to drugs but are able to deal with it, than millions of thieves, hookers and killers running around because your "common sense" isn't so sensible in the cold light of reason?

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how may accidents, O.d's and careless deaths would happen because people would try them? or get addicted to them? you seriously under estimate reality vs. "what would happen if you were on a desert island". type senerio, this isnt a video game kid were you can put the needles down forever and never use again. meth for example is dangerous when the user comes off of it. they become paraniod. people do alot of crazy things when paraniod to themselves and to others.


So what, people get in DUIs and injure themselves and others due to all sorts of stupidity anyway, drugs being illegal hasn't done anything to change that. People already OD, but if their friends didn't have to worry about calling an ambulance because they might face charges, don't you think that they may become a little more survivable? Some people can do drugs at will without any dependency, I'm lucky enough to be one of them, but even for those who aren't so blessed, it's still their choice to make, not the government's. Again as well, if drugs where legal things like meth related paranoia could be treated rather than punished, you'd tell your doc you weren't feeling so good since you just got off of meth, and he could give you some Xanax or something, problem solved. It's the straight jacket of blanket prohibition that causes most of the problems, but it's just too lucrative to too many people for it to be junked like it should have been years ago.

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this argument is old now, and im sick of explaining common sence to a bunch of numbskulls.


Been practicing in front of the mirror?


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19 Apr 2009, 1:59 pm

and in other news here back on earth its warm outside with a mild breeze



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19 Apr 2009, 2:16 pm

what stigma is there? ive done drugs before and ive never ran into someone making fun of me because i was snorting something



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19 Apr 2009, 2:22 pm

you can do drugs. just dont get caught, as ive already said,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,its only illegal if you get caught. making them readily available like a pack of gum isnt a good idea though because in a perfect world, im sure some would quit because magically now the stigma is removed somehow?

LOL. jesus, on a side note im gonna get drunk now and use my brain to not get in a vehical and kill innocent people



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19 Apr 2009, 2:27 pm

it was just a general statement claire, it wasnt directed twords you. i just dont get it :lol:



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19 Apr 2009, 2:27 pm

At the moment, although marijuana is legal in some states for medical purposes and there have been definite directives from the federal government to permit this the federal anti-drug enforcement people are still raiding people who need it for legal purposes in states that permit this. I have a strong suspicion that there is direct corruption throughout law enforcement to keep drug use illegal because they are getting a cut on the illegal profits, and I don't exempt political legislators from this suspicion. I hope I am wrong but if this type of politics is involved it will be almost impossible to make drugs legal.



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19 Apr 2009, 2:33 pm

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I point to the Swiss experience with legalized heroin. Prohibition only makes the problem worse and prevents addicts from seeking help for their problem.


that's not exactly the same as what the OP (I think) is suggesting. heroin in Switzerland is only available to addicts instead of methadone (as it's been proven less destructive to the organism when totally pure) and for that reason it had to be "officially" legalised.

it definitely is a step in the right direction though.

btw, I heard that there's this experimental programme in Switzerland where cancer patients are being treated with LSD. hopefully if it proves to be succesfull LSD will also be legalised by the Swiss (for medical purposes, but still).


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19 Apr 2009, 2:45 pm

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Orwell wrote:
I point to the Swiss experience with legalized heroin. Prohibition only makes the problem worse and prevents addicts from seeking help for their problem.


that's not exactly the same as what the OP (I think) is suggesting. heroin in Switzerland is only available to addicts instead of methadone (as it's been proven less destructive to the organism when totally pure) and for that reason it had to be "officially" legalised.

it definitely is a step in the right direction though.

btw, I heard that there's this experimental programme in Switzerland where cancer patients are being treated with LSD. hopefully if it proves to be succesfull LSD will also be legalised by the Swiss (for medical purposes, but still).

Well, with legalized and regulated heroin, Switzerland has seen a massive decline in violent crime, as well as a drop in the rate of drug addiction.

Yet they voted down a proposal to legalize marijuana. :?

I'm in favor of legalizing all drugs, though I do not intend to use any. I don't even drink alcohol in any quantity.


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