Veganism/Vegetarianism

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Is a vegan still a vegan if they eat food grown from animal products?

I will not argue this point:

I have encountered one too many vegans who promulgated their beliefs with lies and distortions, and they were people who habitually and carelessly thumbed their noses at legitimate science. They spouted nothing but rhetoric. They would say stuff like, "how could you fill your gut with putrid meat? You must be really stupid!" and, when you would say, "meat and grain digest a lot more readily than vegetables," they would continue with catchphrases like, "Meat-eaters are so uneducated! They eat meat all the time, and they all must be addicted!"

And, quite frankly, it made me want to murder them with my teeth. Okay?

Now, my opinions on veganism are thus: 1) I am a predator. I am a killer and eater of meat. I have killed my own MEAT. I have skinned my own MEAT. I am a killer. It is part of my nature as a predator to kill. 2) I accept the fact that, if I were to cross the path of a puma, he would be within his rights, as a predator, to regard me as just as fair and just a game as any: that's why I don't go out in the woods without carrying a pistol. 3) The only kind of animal I respect is a predator. 4) Animals who are not predators are food, decoration or vermin. 5) Animals that do not kill are food, decoration or vermin. 6) I like wolves. I like foxes. I like cats. I like stoats. I like pumas. I like alligators and crocodiles. I have risked my own safety to move wayward venomous snakes out of the road. I even like skunks. After all, I feel that there is a certain brotherhood among killers. 7) I hate herbivores. 8) Herbivores are vermin. Or food. Or decoration. Period. 9) I respect predators, and 10) I live and abide by their laws.

Therefore, if you want to be a vegan, that's fine. However, I am a killer and a person who only loves other killers, and I have no intention of changing. Period. Full stop.

End of discussion.

Sounds uncomfortably like racism... but about dietary choices. Dietism.

As you said, some vegans are guilty of this as well, but you seem no better than them.

What is funny is that when animals die they become a part of the earth in a way vegans eat animals with out knowing it.

I am a carnivore supremacist, yes. There is not a single animal that I like that is strictly or primarily an herbivore.

No, what I said about them was that it was dishonesty and sleazy tactics by some of them that caused me to hate vegans in the first place. There is nothing wrong with being militant, though. In fact, I consider it to be a virtue. Dishonorable conduct, though, ought to be punished by having the offender buried in the ground up to the neck and stoned to death.

Last edited by WilliamWDelaney on 06 May 2012, 4:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Seriously? You hate elephants?

The hunter has a certain amount of respect for their prey in most societies. Even the most backward Muslim goatherder in Somalia still tries to follow laws governing the ethical slaughter of his livestock.

Except for the ivory. Good for making piano keys. Elephants are actually fairly revolting animals. They have a sadistic sense of humor, and they destroy crops in a massive way.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... chili.html

"Conflicts between farmers and elephants have long been widespread in Africa, where pachyderms nightly destroy crops, raid grain houses, and sometimes kill people."

HUNT THEM FOR THE IVORY! HAHAHAHA!

Even the Asian ones?

Especially the Asian ones.

Oh, and I'm just kidding about actually hating vegans generally. It's just fun to say because it enrages small-minded people.

I quite honestly can't understand why anyone would be prejudiced against someone being a vegetarian or vegan. It's simply a choice. I eat meat, but it really doesn't bother me that others don't. Humans have proven themselves to be the ultimate predator, unfortunately to the point of extincting thousands of species and in the process threatening our own food and water supply. Not a very smart thing for the supposedly most intelligent species on the planet to do.

Why? Because I've run into one too many of them who thinks that anybody who doesn't instantly have a religious experience and convert to veganism right away upon hearing their bogus rhetoric must be a knuckle-dragging degenerate with a third-grade education.

And because no vegan who has any sense of humor or breadth of thought would take my bull crap seriously. It is tailored to offend exclusively the most small-minded of ret*d, useless idiots. Anybody else, including most vegans I know who don't deserve to die of some flesh-eating disease, would find it hilarious.

I'm vegetarian. The facts of the meat industry, in terms of animal well being, (main reason) environment, health (preventive use of antibiotics creates very dangerous bacterias and the crowded stables make disease spread a lot easier) and food availability in countries where they grow the food for the animals.

What I don't like is vegetarians who are 'morally agressive' and think it's a good idea to confront people who eat meat with their meal and judge them for the habit or decision to eat meat.

Yeah, I mean how could any self-respecting farmer allow that kind of stuff? If nothing else, professional pride ought to mean something. If it's just about profit, there are much more profitable lines of work you could be in besides raising livestock for the slaughter. I have trouble believing a pig farmer who doesn't have some enthusiasm for his or her trade. I know they exist, but I just don't understand them.

I agree with this. Religion and politics - food beliefs and politics fit right in there, not to be pushed on others aggressively. But pushing back aggressively is just as bad.

One thing I don't understand is, why is it okay for a lion to kill a gazelle and eat it, but when we kill and eat an animal we are horrible murderers?