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27 Jun 2012, 2:09 pm

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No but atheists try to infulence laws in countries to like in Russia Romania ect.


Well, if you mean the communists, they were a sort of secular faith, and therefore functioned like a religion in many ways; they were in competition with other religions and did what religions do, when they're in competition. Kill, repress, discriminate, etc.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:12 pm

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No but atheists try to infulence laws in countries to like in Russia Romania ect.


Well, if you mean the communists, they were a sort of secular faith, and therefore functioned like a religion in many ways; they were in competition with other religions and did what religions do, when they're in competition. Kill, repress, discriminate, etc.


Some atheists function like a faith and the communists where atheists just like the ones in China are but they had political ideas that where similar to a religious faith.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:29 pm

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they had political ideas that where similar to a religious faith.


Yup, it was the One True Faith bringing salvation to mankind, the only salvation, and it had its own pantheon and messiahs too.

This is a sun deity:

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27 Jun 2012, 2:35 pm

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they had political ideas that where similar to a religious faith.


Yup, it was the One True Faith bringing salvation to mankind, the only salvation, and it had its own pantheon and messiahs too.


Not to meniton how many martyrs those communist atheists made. That is something aethist do not do they do not die for their bleifes like theists do nor will they martyr themselfs in it's name



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27 Jun 2012, 2:37 pm

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That is something aethist do not do they do not die for their bleifes like theists do


They do, just not willingly!



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27 Jun 2012, 2:40 pm

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That is something aethist do not do they do not die for their bleifes like theists do


They do, just not willingly!


No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:43 pm

Joker wrote:
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That is something aethist do not do they do not die for their bleifes like theists do


They do, just not willingly!


No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


I dunno, tell that to the atheist man in Mississippi that got stoned to death in a public square in 2009.


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27 Jun 2012, 2:48 pm

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edgewaters wrote:
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That is something aethist do not do they do not die for their bleifes like theists do


They do, just not willingly!


No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


I dunno, tell that to the atheist man in Mississippi that got stoned to death in a public square in 2009.


It was against his will to be a martyr you have to die in the name of something or a cause he was at the wrong place at the wrong time.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:48 pm

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No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - Patton



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27 Jun 2012, 2:50 pm

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No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - Patton


So you agree with me then that atheists will never die in the name of their beliefs.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:52 pm

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27 Jun 2012, 2:56 pm

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edgewaters wrote:
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No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - Patton


So you agree with me then that atheists will never die in the name of their beliefs.
I think it's an absurd argument. This is a ridiculous thing to bring up or argue about on this thread. Where's a mod when you need one?


Haven't broken a rule your can attack a belife or a religion I am just doing to them what they do to theists fair is fair after all.



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27 Jun 2012, 2:57 pm

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The fact that there's a psychological need for it, to me, explains its existance; wishful and comforting thinking, more or less.
That premise would require that the collective unconscious be an invention of humanity, rather than something that pre-exists knowledge of its existence. If the unconscious exists, then it's something in our psychological make-up, created by natural means, not something we have invented to comfort ourselves. Besides, it's not always comforting. It's in some cases maddening, as in schizophrenics who cannot tell the difference between the contents of the unconscious and outer material reality. (It was schizophrenics that he worked with who provided Jung with his first evidence of the existence of the collective unconscious.)



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27 Jun 2012, 3:00 pm

Joker wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
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No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - Patton


So you agree with me then that atheists will never die in the name of their beliefs.


You're looking at this wrong (and also trolling the thread like a total boss). Atheism's a negative viewpoint. Dying for it would be a pretty stupid idea - it'd be like dying for not thinking the sky is green. Atheists have died for various beliefs, though - belief in freedom of speech, for example, or for their countries, etc. The thing most theists don't understand is that "atheists" are not an organized body of people with a bunch of beliefs in common - the only thing we've got in common is a lack of belief in a deity, an organized religion, or both. Zen Buddhists are technically atheists, but I'm certain we'd all agree that they're very different from, say, Richard Dawkins or Thomas Jefferson, who were also atheists/deists, yes?


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27 Jun 2012, 3:01 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
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No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - Patton


So you agree with me then that atheists will never die in the name of their beliefs.


You're looking at this wrong (and also trolling the thread like a total boss). Atheism's a negative viewpoint. Dying for it would be a pretty stupid idea - it'd be like dying for not thinking the sky is green. Atheists have died for various beliefs, though - belief in freedom of speech, for example, or for their countries, etc. The thing most theists don't understand is that "atheists" are not an organized body of people with a bunch of beliefs in common - the only thing we've got in common is a lack of belief in a deity, an organized religion, or both. Zen Buddhists are technically atheists, but I'm certain we'd all agree that they're very different from, say, Richard Dawkins or Thomas Jefferson, who were also atheists/deists, yes?


How am I trolling if anything I am deraling it. And btw which is why you can't nor will you die for that belife. But theists will die in the name of God willingly.



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27 Jun 2012, 3:12 pm

Joker wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Joker wrote:
edgewaters wrote:
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No they don't do it willingly at least we will. Atheists can not compete with us because they lack martyrs dieing for what you believe in. Or for a cause leaves a powerful statement and the masses become intrigued by it.


“The object of war is not to die for your country but to make the other bastard die for his.” - Patton


So you agree with me then that atheists will never die in the name of their beliefs.


You're looking at this wrong (and also trolling the thread like a total boss). Atheism's a negative viewpoint. Dying for it would be a pretty stupid idea - it'd be like dying for not thinking the sky is green. Atheists have died for various beliefs, though - belief in freedom of speech, for example, or for their countries, etc. The thing most theists don't understand is that "atheists" are not an organized body of people with a bunch of beliefs in common - the only thing we've got in common is a lack of belief in a deity, an organized religion, or both. Zen Buddhists are technically atheists, but I'm certain we'd all agree that they're very different from, say, Richard Dawkins or Thomas Jefferson, who were also atheists/deists, yes?


How am I trolling if anything I am deraling it. And btw which is why you can't nor will you die for that belife. But theists will die in the name of God willingly.


You're either missing the point or much more stupid than I previously thought you were. Atheists don't die for atheism - but we might die for the right to believe or not believe as we choose. We won't fight for atheism, but we will fight to separate church and state. We know our battles, and unlike Christians don't have a gigantic persecution complex (despite that Real Actual Persecution); politically-motivated atheists generally recognize that you can do more for freedom of belief alive than you can dead.


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