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03 Jul 2012, 8:31 pm

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Ireland should be free.

QFT. But they are free just divided.

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03 Jul 2012, 8:39 pm

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Not for lack of US intervention in their politics, it would seem.

How has the U.S. caused Haiti to be one of the most badly governed republics in the Caribbean. We never sent troops there.

And Unite Fruit Company Inc. was never big in Haiti.

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The CIA was involved in the first coup against Jean-Bertrand Aristide. Granted the US also saved his life in that case. During the second coup against Aristide the US was arming anti-Aristide troops. The US also 'kidnapped' him. There was a collaboration between the USA and France to remove him from power. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Haiti ... 7%C3%A9tat

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03 Jul 2012, 8:52 pm

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I really just hope that a UI can happen. Or at least they could try to make it happen.

Irish people don't want a United Ireland though, not at the moment. Most people in the Republic couldn't give a toss about a UI. There certainly is very little appetite for it in NI at the moment amongst all but the most obsessive, deluded nationalist types.

You can't unite the island without uniting the people. There are a fair few bitter republicans that hate the guts of Unionists and the British so it's a non-starter whilst attitudes like that exist on the nationalist side.

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03 Jul 2012, 8:56 pm

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I really just hope that a UI can happen. Or at least they could try to make it happen.

I can live with that may be some day. They will change their minds. NOthing stays the same forever.

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04 Jul 2012, 8:35 am

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You can't unite the island without uniting the people. There are a fair few bitter republicans that hate the guts of Unionists and the British so it's a non-starter whilst attitudes like that exist on the nationalist side.

Yes, and all those angry, marching unionists need to stop harrassing their neighbors, too. Hate exists on both sides equally.
By the way, I noticed you capitalized "unionists" but not "republicans". :wink:

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05 Jul 2012, 7:20 pm

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Very good point hate is on both sides.

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06 Jul 2012, 4:15 pm

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It is still possible to have a united Ireland. Sure I have my romantic ideas about the IRA which I will not apologize for. But lets say the IRA didn't exist none of you would want a United Ireland.

Dude what the hell "romantic ideas about the IRA' Since your living in california, i guess the next time you see a soldiers family who lost a loved one in afghanistan you should probably tell them you have romantic ideas about the taliban. The ira was nothing more than a terrorist gang, that went around killing women and children without thought or hindrance, pretending otherwise is an affront to the dead. I really doubt with your romanticisation of the ira you would find that a united ireland would particularly welcome you. Technically ireland is united, under the banner of the EUSSR. i just really can't believe you can view the ira with anything other than contempt.

I'm from North Carolina. And I view them pretty much the opposite as you do.

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06 Jul 2012, 4:16 pm

And FYI the english and british did those things to the Irish for 800 years. So what's your point for bringing up what the IRA has done?

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06 Jul 2012, 4:28 pm

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And FYI the english and british did those things to the Irish for 800 years. So what's your point for bringing up what the IRA has done?

Two wrongs make a right, don't they?

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06 Jul 2012, 4:35 pm

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And FYI the english and british did those things to the Irish for 800 years. So what's your point for bringing up what the IRA has done?

Two wrongs make a right, don't they?

It all depends on how you look at it but. Can't say it does but history. Gives people a excuse to act extreme. My upbrining had a lot to do with being a IRA. Sympathizer.

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06 Jul 2012, 4:41 pm

But I do apologize for using the same arugement over and over.

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06 Jul 2012, 4:47 pm

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And FYI the english and british did those things to the Irish for 800 years.

And you personally experienced any of these bad things? Most of these things happened centuries ago - holding a historical grudge like you do just makes you look ridiculous. If you're going to start digging up the past like that you'll never hear the end of atrocity after atrocity that militias and armies did to other people and their own.

Should I adopt an attitude of anger over historical atrocities in regards to Denmark and Norway? They invaded us, stole from us, killed some of us, raped our women, etc etc etc. And they're far, far more proud of that than many British are with regards to Ireland.

What has what "the British" did to people in the 16th century or earlier got to do with the situation today? Should Americans of today continually be held responsible for the actions of the earliest settlers? Their crimes were much worse than "the English" in Ireland. Pack it in.

Apart from Bloody Sunday (which was in 1972, when the PIRA murdered over 170 people that year), were any of the major atrocities within living memory committed by the British Government? At some point, Irish Republicans have to move on - although they never will. Morons like Éirígí love living in the past. Ex-Provos keep using that line when their atrocities are referred to - and they're far more guilty than the modern-day British Government when it comes to Northern Ireland.

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06 Jul 2012, 4:56 pm

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And FYI the english and british did those things to the Irish for 800 years.

No I haven't but the blood of my ancestores run through my viens. I take so much pride in my Irish Heritage I admit I can be a bit to prideful about it. But even you must admit that the British Government was out of line for open firing on Inncoent Irish Protesters that where being peacful not. Violent.

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06 Jul 2012, 5:00 pm

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At some point, Irish Republicans have to move on

I'm sure it would be easier for them to do so if there weren't Orangemen parading through their neighborhoods every July 12.

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06 Jul 2012, 5:03 pm

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At some point, Irish Republicans have to move on

I'm sure it would be easier for them to do so if there weren't Orangemen parading through their neighborhoods every July 12.

QFT.

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06 Jul 2012, 5:06 pm

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I'm sure it would be easier for them to do so if there weren't Orangemen parading through their neighborhoods every July 12.

Most Nationalists (as well as many, many Unionists) treat the 12 July with sheer indifference rather than hatred. They simply ignore it.

It wouldn't be any different in a United Ireland - the Orangemen would still parade.

Looking forward to the day now.

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