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Of course it is a commodity, for which the males of many species are willing to fight to the death.



In our species, most males get to mate. So, of course there is a feeling of entitlement.

I think I'm entitled to a good roll in the hay Sex is the icing on the cake of death.

If a man feels like he needs to have sex he should try to find a gf so he can have it. However, if he doesn't have sex and doesn't feel the need, should he pressured by society? Should the message be he is damaged because he doesn't want sex? I am sure there are men out there who fit this description only they must keep it hidden away because of all the dogma and stigma out there. They cannot dare talk about it without being treated like they are damaged beyond repair. Either that or pelted with Viagra at the doctor's because you must have a medical condition if you do not wish to have sex. You are 'not normal.' according to society's standards, just as one time gays 'were not normal' either and there must be something painfully amiss with them as well that needs fixing.

About time people were encouraged to accept themselves more.

cultural expectations change with education, largely. it is already shifting this way, so it isn't like a big weird stretch to imagine that people are NOT entitled to sex, whereas the thinking was different across time and space. it may just be a matter of rethinking how we treat ourselves, how we commodify people's bodies, how we think abut sex. questioning our paradigms is a start.

Sure. Tell teenagers full of hormones that a lifetime of abstinence is good for them. Bristol Palin didn't quite buy it.

i don't think i mentioned abstinence,

And, as Paul said, "It is better to marry than to burn."



Paul was an advocate of celibacy. Why would an asexual person feel "pressured by society?" An asexual person actually has a big advantage these days.



I should think that such messages shouldn't bother him. There seems to be more of a message that people who do want sex are damaged. An asexual person, who doesn't have his hormones compelling him to do something that requires the participation of another person, is much better off.



So, they don't participate in trash talk. So what?



Viagra wouldn't be of any use if you didn't want to do anything with your erection. And, you wouldn't complain to a doctor about asexuality if it didn't bother you.



I think that asexuality is becoming more of the standard.

Asexuality as opposed to abstinence? Just a play on words.

i didn't mention asexuality either. i mentioned people who simply didn't have sex, not by any conscious choice like abstinence, or any sexual orientation like asexuality. they just didn't get any. and they were fine.

Sometimes guys don't want to marry. They only want to date and hope they get some in the process which is a big incentive to go on dates. If they can find a steady gf to go out with, makes it easier for them. Less chancy if they know they can always call up so and so and go out.

Because of the media focus and psychiatry/psychology trying to make it sound like people are abnormal and damaged without a sex life and are apt to be screw ups because they aren't having sex. It's all over the place, this ideology. People who do not have sex are sexually repressed and are apt to be prone to deviant behaviors because their sexuality is repressed blah blah blah as if it could be the only reason on earth for this sort of thing. You cannot help but notice it. At one time, psychiatrists thought the same about gays and called homosexuality a disease. They have since reneged so there's hope they will when it comes to asexuality and it will be accepted as just another form of sexuality without any hint of pathology.

People who do want sex are damaged? I never hear that message from anyone! I sorta of agree with you about asexuals being somewhat better off. Just depends. If one is in a relationship with someone who isn't, the one who isn't has a difficult time. So, it can be a problem at times. Also, there's pressure from people who find out someone is asexual and then harass them over it, calling them repressed or more apt to commit sick acts because they aren't having sex blah blah blah. I'm sure you have heard or read some of what is said and believed by people who do have sex about people who do not.


Trash talk? About people who do not have sex? Would be nice if there weren't any *nods*


You might complain if society convinces you that you are damaged for not craving sex and therefore must see your doctor. Maybe Viagra would not be the medication prescribed. Instead, something for low T, maybe? They even have special clinics for women who are not interested in sex. An industry exists for people who are uptight about their sex drive or sexual performance.

I have not noticed that. Most people seem to be in relationships where they have sex on a regular basis.

If sex is necessary to keep men from fighting to the death and they are entitled to it, it brings up the question of whose supposed to fill this roll. Again I think prostitution is the answer.

Just for clarification, are we talking about sex as a purely physical exchange, or is it more about an actual exchange of "emotions." If it's more about mental closeness to someone, along with the physical, than it might be more difficult to attain and entitlement becomes more questionable.

Prostitution is not the answer.

Well, what about them?

Masturbation.

you said this:


but it isn't the lack of sex that directly leads to problems, it may be other things like the sense of entitlement bestowed by culture (or a person's own messed up psychology. who knows?).

The more gents who embrace asexuality, the more ladies for the rest of us, potentially.


People who want sex and can't get any can suffer a lot more than people who don't want sex. For some of us, sex can be regarded as a rare and precious commodity. Seeking to pay someone for sex would be a simple solution, if one lived in a jurisdiction that didn't outlaw it. Otherwise, there are quite a lot of risks involved in seeking sexual gratification. If you don't want sexual gratification, then you have one less significant thing to worry about in life.


I've actually not heard much said about asexuals from sexuals. But, neither have I been listening for it. Nor have I heard asexuals being labeled as more apt to commit sick acts. I should think that the lack of a sex drive would render you less apt.


I meant trash talk about girls.


What do you mean by "society?" And how can "society" convince you of anything? If you're satisfied with the way you are, then that is all that matters. "Society" can go and bugger itself.


Or, eschewing coitus all together.