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31 Jul 2013, 10:39 pm

^^^^Is there fairness and love under the right wing?I don't recall seeing that in any Republican propaganda.

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31 Jul 2013, 10:53 pm

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^^^^Is there fairness and love under the right wing?I don't recall seeing that in any Republican propaganda.

The right wing doesnt advertise fairness and love whilst the left does but delivers the opposite, in effect.
Nuff said.

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31 Jul 2013, 11:21 pm

Here is your right wing love and fairness.I beleive you are a fan of 1984,I know what you are askeerd of,spiders.And I plan on reporting it.

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31 Jul 2013, 11:37 pm

1984 depicts a leftist regime.
I aint a'feerd of no spiders, neither. I just like t'kill 'em.
Same for roaches and ants and whatever other bugz i find around here.
I smashed a wolf spider with my bare hand last week.

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31 Jul 2013, 11:50 pm

That's not tough,I let spiders crawl on me.
I have serious doubts about your use on the ground,you may be a bad ass in the air,but I think you would bug out on the ground if you got into a nest of spiders.
If the ennsy weensy spider came down the water spout onto the tip of your rifle,I think you would give everyone away.

I know John Ashcroft would love that building,isn't he a republican?

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01 Aug 2013, 12:58 am

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It depicts a totalitarian regime. I don't think you can really call it 'leftist.' The whole anti-sex thing fit perfectly in with the American right wing.

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01 Aug 2013, 1:05 am

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*snort* there's nothing 'hip' about MGTOW or MRAs. They're pretty much entirely middle-aged divorcees who feel like their wives got the better end of the bargain, or single younger men who can't figure out why the women in their lives don't behave more like the ones they see in video games or movies.

Well, I had never heard of either of them before you had brought them up. You're obviously much more up on modern culture and associated things than I am. Or, maybe you just read a lot of Feminist material, and MGTOWs and MRAs have been identified as the enemy.

"Men Going Their Own Way": I can't imagine that there is much to unify the group, as it would be about each member going his own way, rather than trying to follow uniform marching orders. I can't even imagine that they would ever bother to hold meetings that any group of Feminists with bullhorns would take the trouble to interrupt.

They have Internet forums on which women are forbidden to post, but anyone can go read them.

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the former might still be selfish and deluded,

Having looked up the acronym, but not having bothered to research the topic: why would a man goes his own way be "selfish and deluded?"

Because the *reason* that they can't accept women as they are is pretty much always because women behave like human beings with their own wants and needs, rather than servants.

Wouldn't "going their own way" be a reasonable solution? I mean, no-one thinks ill of the woman in the Dilbert joke who decided that she had no use for men. Obviously, anyone who did think ill of her would be demonized as a sexist.

I disagree with you that 'no one thought ill of the woman...' I think the entire point was that she was a little bit crazy. That said, I have no problems with Dilbert dating a robot if he can't accept any of the biological women around him as they actually are, crazy or not; it's better than him trying to make them into something they're not, or resenting them for not being different.

And I think I've already said that 'going their own way' is a more honorable solution than trying to force women to be some sort of stepford wife ideal.

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01 Aug 2013, 2:49 am

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This is basically the same kind of speech as the one that says that feminists are just a bunch of ugly lesbians that look like truck drivers and smell even worse.

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01 Aug 2013, 10:19 am

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They have Internet forums on which women are forbidden to post, but anyone can go read them.

This one? http://www.mgtow.com/

I'm guessing that the moderators might be rather tough on Feminist posters--especially Feminists who belittle men. Did you get banned?

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As long as you believe that your own happiness and interests are more important than social expectations and you make your decisions based on that, you can consider yourself as one of the MGTOW.

It seems that there might be room at least for a women's auxiliary. Feminists appear to put social expectations first, and seek to influence social expectations. The MGTOWs want to diminish the importance of social expectations in guiding one's life. Is this the source of the conflict?

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Because the *reason* that they can't accept women as they are is pretty much always because women behave like human beings with their own wants and needs, rather than servants.

According to their official propaganda

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Men deserve to live for themselves. There is no need to live as a free servant for someone else because of your gender. The slave days of traditional gender roles are over. Keep your right to decide for yourself and let others do the same, whatever their decisions might be. Live for yourself and let others do the same.

These fellows don't want to be servants, either. Perhaps they have more in common with Feminism, at least officially, than you wish to admit?

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And I think I've already said that 'going their own way' is a more honorable solution than trying to force women to be some sort of stepford wife ideal.

From what I understand, these gents don't care what you (or anyone else) might consider to be honorable, as being honorable would entail augmenting the importance of social expectations in guiding their lives.

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The Stepford Wives is a 1972 satirical thriller novel by Ira Levin. The story concerns Joanna Eberhart, a photographer and young mother who begins to suspect that the frighteningly submissive housewives in her new idyllic Connecticut neighborhood may be robots created by their husbands.

Thanks very much for the recommendation. I'll have to get this book.

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01 Aug 2013, 10:25 am

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I disagree with you that 'no one thought ill of the woman...' I think the entire point was that she was a little bit crazy.

Did you think that she was crazy?

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That said, I have no problems with Dilbert dating a robot if he can't accept any of the biological women around him as they actually are, crazy or not; it's better than him trying to make them into something they're not, or resenting them for not being different.

I think that Dilbert's problem is that biological women have no use for him.

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01 Aug 2013, 8:25 pm

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LKL wrote:

This is basically the same kind of speech as the one that says that feminists are just a bunch of ugly lesbians that look like truck drivers and smell even worse.

Oh? Can you find me a few examples of MRAs or MGTOWs who don't either spend 90% of their time whining about their exes, or whining about how teh stupid wimminz are all 'dating as*holes instead if meeee, and I'm such a nice guy!' in those words, almost vertatim. I can find you plenty of examples of feminists, even extreme feminists, that are young, attractive, heterosexual women in their early 20's. If anything, that's the age and social position that tends to radicalize women b/c of the degree of pressure that they get from men.

Wrt. mgtow sites: that's one, I'm sure. I've never been there. there's also the cesspit of Reddit, Spearhead, etc. I've never tried to post on any of them, and never done more than lurk long enough to make myself nauseous with disgust at the poor logic. I've never been b& anywhere, including mgtow sites.

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01 Aug 2013, 8:47 pm

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I can find you plenty of examples of feminists, even extreme feminists, that are young, attractive, heterosexual women in their early 20's.

You're on. Show us some!

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01 Aug 2013, 9:11 pm

LKL wrote:

Greb wrote:

LKL wrote:

This is basically the same kind of speech as the one that says that feminists are just a bunch of ugly lesbians that look like truck drivers and smell even worse.

Check this blog. You have dozens here:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/blog/

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02 Aug 2013, 3:02 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

LKL wrote:

I can find you plenty of examples of feminists, even extreme feminists, that are young, attractive, heterosexual women in their early 20's.

You're on. Show us some!

www.feministing.com

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02 Aug 2013, 3:06 am

Greb wrote:

LKL wrote:

Greb wrote:

LKL wrote:

This is basically the same kind of speech as the one that says that feminists are just a bunch of ugly lesbians that look like truck drivers and smell even worse.

Check this blog. You have dozens here:

http://www.avoiceformen.com/blog/

Eeyeahhh, that didn't really challenge the stereotype, sorry. There are some men there complaining about their *current* wives as well as their ex-wives, but it's mainly about how teh evil wimminz are lazy and stupid, and should just shut up and be grateful that men put up with them at all.

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02 Aug 2013, 4:24 am

To impregnate women.

Some like "impregnating" other men though (animals and pretty much everything else too; it's all fair game for the right person).

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