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03 Jun 2013, 6:20 pm

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I reckon (I could be wrong) that the ones clicking on the brutal stuff time and time again are a small hardcore of porn addicts who have a problem..


I was actually reading that the stuff is less popular than it used to be. If you're talking about FA, Meatholes and the like.

When you read the experiences of the actresses, you have to wonder how those bastards get away with stuff like that.

It's not like Kink, for example, where the women enthusiastically consent. A fair bit of the very little FA stuff I've seen looks like rape to me.


Do you report it then?


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03 Jun 2013, 6:21 pm

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I guess the jihadi execution stuff is put there to 'educate' people about how horrific radical Islam is


No, most of it's made by the terrorist organisations themselves for other jihadis to gloat at.



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03 Jun 2013, 6:22 pm

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Do you report it then?


Not much point - it's been done a million times over. They're a well-known U.S. based porn website.



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03 Jun 2013, 6:23 pm

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Do you report it then?


Not much point - it's been done a million times over. They're a well-known U.S. based porn website.


Why visit the site then if it's well known and you know what's on it?


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03 Jun 2013, 6:24 pm

Tequila wrote:
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I reckon (I could be wrong) that the ones clicking on the brutal stuff time and time again are a small hardcore of porn addicts who have a problem..


I was actually reading that the stuff is less popular than it used to be. If you're talking about FA, Meatholes and the like.

When you read the experiences of the actresses, you have to wonder how those bastards get away with stuff like that.

It's not like Kink, for example, where the women enthusiastically consent. A fair bit of the very little FA stuff I've seen looks like rape to me.


Never watched either of those websites. Not watched professional porn that wasn't lesbian porn (and I've switched to amateur with that, too because the pro stuff is very fake if not particularly nasty) in quite a while. I was talking about nasty amateur stuff that gets loaded up onto websites that do both pro and amateur stuff.


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03 Jun 2013, 6:25 pm

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I guess the jihadi execution stuff is put there to 'educate' people about how horrific radical Islam is


No, most of it's made by the terrorist organisations themselves for other jihadis to gloat at.


Okay, there's another point of innocence/ignorance for me. The point still stands about the people watching it, though.


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03 Jun 2013, 6:31 pm

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Why visit the site then if it's well known and you know what's on it?


I didn't and don't. I saw their stuff years ago.

I haven't watched Kink in years either, but they look like an extremely good company to work for given what I've read about them - most of their content is not my thing, though, but reading about them is interesting.



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03 Jun 2013, 6:37 pm

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Why visit the site then if it's well known and you know what's on it?


I didn't and don't. I saw their stuff years ago.

I haven't watched Kink in years either, but they look like an extremely good company to work for given what I've read about them - most of their content is not my thing, though, but reading about them is interesting.


I'd love your hard drive to be given the once-over by PC World


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03 Jun 2013, 6:45 pm

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Seeing some of the comments so far in this thread, I figured I might just post a link to this recent study:
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/hom ... aged-goods

From the abstract:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23167939

"The damaged goods hypothesis posits that female performers in the adult entertainment industry have higher rates of childhood sexual abuse (CSA), psychological problems, and drug use compared to the typical woman. The present study compared the self-reports of 177 porn actresses to a sample of women matched on age, ethnicity, and marital status. Comparisons were conducted on sexual behaviors and attitudes, self-esteem, quality of life, and drug use. Porn actresses were more likely to identify as bisexual, first had sex at an earlier age, had more sexual partners, were more concerned about contracting a sexually transmitted disease (STD), and enjoyed sex more than the matched sample, although there were no differences in incidence of CSA. In terms of psychological characteristics, porn actresses had higher levels of self-esteem, positive feelings, social support, sexual satisfaction, and spirituality compared to the matched group. Last, female performers were more likely to have ever used 10 different types of drugs compared to the comparison group. A discriminant function analysis was able to correctly classify 83% of the participants concerning whether they were a porn actress or member of the matched sample. These findings did not provide support for the damaged goods hypothesis."

1)drug use is higher amongst the actresses, according to this abstract.

[cough]cherry-picking[end of cough]

You forgot the higher levels of self-esteem, positive feelings, social support, sexual satisfaction and spirituality... (although I don't know what to make of the latter).

Noting that one response variable is significant to the question asked is not 'cherry-picking.' If this were the only study that had found such a result, among many, and I focused solely on that, THAT would be cherry-picking.

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2)Matching for marital status, as opposed to looking at the population as a whole, distorts the results.

Are you saying that the use of matching samples is an invalid statistical technique?

No. I'm saying that the study answers a slightly different question than the one proposed earlier, which was roughly, 'do sex-workers, as a whole, suffer from histories of abuse, drug use, PTSD, etc'? Choosing women who are demographically like the population implies that sex work, in and of itself, does not cause these issues - but it does not answer the question of whether or not the population of women who tend to be drawn to sex work, as a whole, are the titular "damaged goods" (which, really, is a repulsive way to refer to them even if they do have difficult pasts).



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03 Jun 2013, 6:51 pm

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1)drug use is higher amongst the actresses, according to this abstract.


And? I work in food service, and drug and alcohol use is extremely high, much higher than in other fields I've worked in. We don't drink and do drugs because we're damaged people, we do it because we work high stress jobs that take a lot out of us, and blowing off steam after work is pretty traditional. In the porn business, partying hard is just part of the culture of the industry, not necessarily a sign of something sinister going on,

Not necessarily, no. However, it can be, and it was an important part of the study.



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03 Jun 2013, 11:28 pm

Yeah, replication would be good and necessary to confirm these results. One study really means nothing. And I still can't agree with the self-esteem bit because it's really saying that women who don't do porn have, on average, lower self-esteem than women who do.

Also, their definition of "porn star" could have included women who do professional porn but not within the typical mainstream porn industry.



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03 Jun 2013, 11:34 pm

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Yeah, replication would be good and necessary to confirm these results. One study really means nothing. And I still can't agree with the self-esteem bit because it's really saying that women who don't do porn have, on average, lower self-esteem than women who do.


Why are you having such a hard time accepting these results? A little attached to a belief, are we? It actually makes perfect sense that women who do porn would have higher than average self esteem, I believe the saying goes something like "if you've got it, flaunt it",and if you think you're hot stuff...


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03 Jun 2013, 11:39 pm

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When you read the experiences of the actresses, you have to wonder how those bastards get away with stuff like that.


On the other hand, you often see the same actresses repeatedly working for these companies over a period of years, even Max Hardcore had regulars, regulars who had other options and liked working with him, and he was every bit as nasty as Meatholes or FA; you might say he invented that genre in a way.


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03 Jun 2013, 11:41 pm

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Yeah, replication would be good and necessary to confirm these results. One study really means nothing. And I still can't agree with the self-esteem bit because it's really saying that women who don't do porn have, on average, lower self-esteem than women who do.


Why are you having such a hard time accepting these results? A little attached to a belief, are we? It actually makes perfect sense that women who do porn would have higher than average self esteem, I believe the saying goes something like "if you've got it, flaunt it",and if you think you're hot stuff...


There is a study that states that belief in God is intuitive. Does this mean we should accept that one study at face value? What about Wakefield's study that was posted in the Lancet journal a long time ago linking autism to vaccination.

Yes, I admit I can't accept what the study says about self-esteem because it's only one study and, even in the full text, they acknowledge some issues that may have affected the final results.

Now if there are multiple other studies that support the same conclusion, then, yes, that's when I will say, ok, I was wrong and must now accept the consensus conclusion.

From a "common sense" perspective, it doesn't make sense because many women have come out of porn all emotionally damaged by it, some committed suicide, indicating some low self-esteem among them.

From a psychological point of view, women who flaunt their bodies aren't necessarily of high self-esteem. Some feel their bodies are the only thing worth flaunting. This is no high self-esteem.



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03 Jun 2013, 11:47 pm

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I'd love your hard drive to be given the once-over by PC World


What would the point of that be? Tequila is of age and doesn't seem to be into anything actually illegal, there's nothing wrong with having a wide knowledge of pornography.


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04 Jun 2013, 3:39 am

I have a good friend that did some real porn movies back in the 80s. He said it's nowhere near as fun as it looks. Thank God I have never ran across him in a porn movie. ::shudder::


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