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11 Nov 2013, 7:58 pm

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What if the white homeless guy is living on the streets in an area dominated by a racist black street gang?

Privilege doesn't exist in a vacuum. A white person in the middle of a black panthers meeting is less privileged than a black person, and vice versa for a klan meeting. Privilege arises because people prefer people who are similar to them (OH NOES! Kin selection!), and so, when an accident of fate results in people with a particular trait becoming dominant, it tends to become self-sustaining (but it's not so strong that it can carry on indefinitely, unless deliberately maintained). If China had been dominant, rather than Europe - something which very nearly did happen - we'd be talking about Han privilege, and perhaps being white would enable me to take advantage of affirmative action brought in by Han guilt of their oppression of my ancestors.

It would be interesting to repeat the experiment with the CVs, except this time, finding out the details of the person who reads them. Is it systematic bias towards "white" names? Or is it that the person reading them is simply biased towards people most like them? In fact, I'd be willing to wager (not much, just a few bananas) having the same name as the person reading your application will help you a lot, and the more dissimilar you are to them, the worse your prospects.
Kin selection is generally only significant out to the level of cousins, or less; in any case, it doesn't matter why privilege happens, just that it does. Given a black guy and a white guy at equal socioeconomic levels, the black guy probably had to work harder or be more skilled to get there than the white guy, and has to work harder to maintain his position and to be seen as just as good as the white guy. As for the white guy at the Panther rally, that's not really what privilege is about. It wouldn't quite fit if it were a black guy at a KKK rally, either; that's more about micro cultures and biases. Privilege is about systemic, ongoing, cumulative, unearned opportunities and 'luck.' You're right that there would be international Han privilege if China had been more dominant than the west; there's Han privilege in China now, for that matter, and arguably there's Han privilege to a certain degree in international relations as well.

Wrt. the CVs, there was a recent experiment with male vs. female named applicants for faculty positions at universities, and (no surprise) the male names were regarded as more capable and were offered higher starting salaries than the female names; what was a little surprising was that there was no difference between male and female reviewers.



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11 Nov 2013, 9:55 pm

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What if the white homeless guy is living on the streets in an area dominated by a racist black street gang?


The fact that you have gangland black ghettos in the first place is symptomatic of white privilege.


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11 Nov 2013, 10:07 pm

Look a little closer to home for a ready example.

Ring road that helps maintain Belfast's ghettos

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While not explicitly presented as a tool for social division, the Ring Road was certainly deployed to those ends and continues to effectively imprison the suburbs’ substantial non-car owning population.


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12 Nov 2013, 12:22 am

thomas81 wrote:
Magneto wrote:
What if the white homeless guy is living on the streets in an area dominated by a racist black street gang?


The fact that you have gangland black ghettos in the first place is symptomatic of white privilege.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGV9vE7H7I0 this is perfectly acceptable because after all the lady's privileged.


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12 Nov 2013, 7:01 pm

thomas81 wrote:
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What if the white homeless guy is living on the streets in an area dominated by a racist black street gang?


The fact that you have gangland black ghettos in the first place is symptomatic of white privilege.


No it is symptomatic of the problems that ghetto black people have in wanting to revel in ignorance and violence. All you have to do is watch a movie rap video or interview from people in this culture and it become obvious. But nooooo that wont allow me to delude myself with fantasies like there aren't white areas just like the black ones with people who revel in the same worthless culture ideas. White privilege is fantasy made up by idiots so their baseless fact less and ret*d political goals seem valid and important.



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12 Nov 2013, 7:27 pm

I can hardly think of a better example of privilege than the above poster proclaiming that suffering people want to suffer.

Someone who ignores all the evidence of racism in our society and asserts that it no longer exists has calling other claims baseless, either.



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12 Nov 2013, 8:00 pm

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I can hardly think of a better example of privilege than the above poster proclaiming that suffering people want to suffer.

Someone who ignores all the evidence of racism in our society and asserts that it no longer exists has calling other claims baseless, either.


So you have never really had to deal with people like this and since you didn't read my post about how culture is different from race you using ignorant and uneducated reasoning think that there is racism so much racism in our society. Like I said people don't like ignorant and violent cultures if you come from an ignorant and violent culture then people who don't revel in ignorance and violence will not like or want to deal with you regardless of what color you are. Just because you think they are suffering doesn't mean that they think they are the middle east is prime example of this. Many of them like the constant conflict they see it as a way to become closer to god. Not all middle eastern Muslims think like this but a large majority do. Take away US military and they will still fight each other to the death because that is their culture the intelligent ones who have thirst for knowledge and self betterment will do there best to leave or gain control. The same can be said for black people in the US ever heard of the no snitching culture they have in ghetto areas they want something done about the problem but try to help and you will have them protesting in the streets. People are so ignorant that they think that all people who are struggling and suffering want help when all they really want is to be left alone. So to close there is no such thing as privilege color unless only privilege culture and those culture have earned the right to those privileges. Unlike the people you claim are so down trodden who do nothing but revel in their violence and ignorance and attack anyone not just like them which makes them the true cultural and color racists.



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12 Nov 2013, 10:49 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vYML_F1Nb0[/youtube] Im sorry this guys racist if you dont think so you are a moron. But I suppose its the white mans fault hes like this right? So maybe its time to pay the piper and put this guy in power? Tis a privilege to be the most hated ethnic group on the planet right?


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12 Nov 2013, 11:00 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRCRvSTzd9E[/youtube]


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13 Nov 2013, 1:30 am

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Tis a privilege to be the most hated ethnic group on the planet right?

You're confusing the order. White people are sometimes hated because of their privilege (they are not the "most hated"), not privileged to be hated.



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13 Nov 2013, 1:36 am

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No it is symptomatic of the problems that ghetto black people have in wanting to revel in ignorance and violence. All you have to do is watch a movie rap video or interview from people in this culture and it become obvious. But nooooo that wont allow me to delude myself with fantasies like there aren't white areas just like the black ones with people who revel in the same worthless culture ideas. White privilege is fantasy made up by idiots so their baseless fact less and ret*d political goals seem valid and important.

Yeah, this guy is really a thug, eh? What a violent culture!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXSAzqvBXqI[/youtube]



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13 Nov 2013, 1:52 am

Yes there is no evidence at all to suggest that a large part of black culture revels in raping robbing killing and beating innocent people. Oh wait.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 2ULVECUrzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... 0Nge6xlt-0

Because of ignorant apologetic people like you these people believe that they are justified in these actions. That's what people like you do make things worse because whenever people point out real problems you give them imaginary ones.



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13 Nov 2013, 2:09 am

Yeah, black people are just terrible (/sarcasm)
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13 Nov 2013, 2:47 am

Great job at finding one black musician who wants to do better and his people to do better you like all liberal ret*ds refuse to deal with the problem you just point out the minority in the group of minorities as an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... cBX7AUVfAU

Here is an example given by Aspieotaku of a black man saying the exact same thing as me if they are starting to recognize the problems in their culture why cant you. Oh yes because you would be blaspheming your god of liberalism so do what people like you do best deny the real problems and make up imaginary ones that cause the kind of problems like in the first link I provided.



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13 Nov 2013, 2:56 am

Just a reminder that even in here, blatant personal attacks are against the rules, and I don't believe for one second that anyone here is thick enough to think that "ret*ds" is a compliment.


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13 Nov 2013, 3:02 am

That wasn't a personal attack it was an attack on religion which is perfectly fine on this web site from what I have seen.