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That if the Feds were involved they'd really fire on the protesters (lead, not silly rubber stuff), cover it up, and get medals?

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Agreed, but the way they did it in this case was entrapment.
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? I?m not defending the Weavers politics and religious beliefs (although they are protected under the same laws that protect you and I, like it or not) but I am condemning the acts of multiple federal LE agencies from the federal investigation up to the botched recon mission and the ensuing ?special? rules of engagement. That?s what this is about.

? Bonners Ferry is what, about 100 give or take miles from you? People like myself who live in more densely populated areas have had all kinds of nutty s**t take place (and still takes place) within 100 miles of them but they don?t claim to have ?lived through it? or necessarily harp on it. It?s a crazy and diverse country.


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Okay with entrapment? The hits just keep on comin?????.
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It?s germane to this thread since both are about police abuse. Ruby Ridge has come up at least three times including this one with the same players. It?ll come up again.

I grew up in a left-wing family, so I didn't have any sympathy for the Waco/Ruby Ridge crowd back then. From that perspective the Brown killing does seem similar: Why would you have any sympathy for this thug? Why would you trust his lookout during the robbery to tell you the truth? How are the looters who used this as an excuse to attack innocent people any more justified than Timothy McVeigh (who used Waco and Ruby Ridge for the same purpose)?

Regarding the racial angle: The store owner doesn't appear to be white in the video, but you won't know because he's too afraid of reprisals to come forward:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/08 ... customers/

His lawyer begged the rioters not to sack his store, which they promptly did (after they sacked another store in confusion). And if you're mad about the sheriff refusing to name the cop, what about the store owner - who really had nothing to do with it - still in hiding? He was already reduced to saying 'I didn?t call the police, I didn?t ask the police to come and take the video.' Why should a guy who's been attacked and robbed have to be afraid of calling for help? And how can you trust the eye-witness testimony when rioters terrorize an innocent guy for speaking up?

Now they are grabbing up reporters.What happened to freedom of the press?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/1 ... ail=email#

I'm pretty sure the Press have to obey orders to disperse from the streets in the same way as anyone else.

Whether it's "right" or not is up to you. I don't think Press should have any specific privileged compared to the common citizen.

No, I don't have an agenda... .

I wonder if they care about being parlay to inciting riots [among the emotive people in the area and outside] via reporting with specific connotations. They should probably turn themselves in for that if they had integrity (no wait, they wouldn't do it to begin with).

When you start arresting the press it looks like there's something to hide.Maybe they don't want people taking pictures of police harassing those who are peacefully protesting,not everyone there is looting.
The public has a right to know what's happening.
As for the young man that was killed,he was guilty of being a teenager,they do stupid stuff.No reason to get shot to death unarmed.If he had been a white teenager in a well to do white suburb,do you honestly think the cop would have shot him?Most likely not,then it could have been a lawyers or doctors kid.
Cops threatening a reporter with bodily harm.
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/show ... SocialFlow
Cops have no right to seize anyone's camera or phone.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/1 ... tail=email

The general feeling is often quite wrong.

From what I have seen, I suspect the shooting was entirely justified.

From http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/20/missouri-cop-was-badly-beaten-before-shooting-michael-brown-says-source/:

So when you said You are probably right, at least to a degree, but it was Brown who was attacking, not the police.

I saw a headline (but didn't read the article) that said that only 4 of the 78 people arrested in all that were local. I assume that the rest had come in from elsewhere to take advantage of the situation.

I consider it as little more than two thugs getting into a fist fight and then the one who is losing pulling out a firearm and killing the other.

If the police had gotten there in time, the proper thing to have done was to arrest both Martin and Zimmerman for fighting. It really didn't matter which of the two thugs shot the other, the one who shot should have been convicted of murder.

Edit: Naomi Wolf is a social democrat, speaking at a libertarian conference about America's, and the global slide into police state. It's very pertinent to the subject of this thread.

The End of America Revisited.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJSp1skVIkA[/youtube]


V Yes, you're right. I should get into the habit of doing that

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Executive summary?

If you can't be bothered to write a little about it, how can you expect anyone else to pay any attention to it?

Eh, I just don't think the protests are a big deal or some great sea change in policing. It looks like the standard response we've seen for a long time. Protesters do their thing, small groups of political agitators move in, the criminal element hovers around looking for opportunity and the police make a big show and arrest anyone who doesnt hop to it fast enough. Seen it before.

a really big and strong teenage who takes ganster like photos and robs stores.

this whol don't punsih teenages is stilly. teenages can and have killed people. plus at 18 he's an adult.

I won't let some teenage beat me to death because oh hes a teenager

That could be the case, but there is more than one side to the story. Credible eyewitness accounts say that Wilson was shooting at him as soon as he stepped out of his police car. Those shots may not have hit him. The same witness said he fell forward as the result of being shot, but did not charge the officer.

Furthermore, as if it matters, the so-called robbery may not have been anything at all, just a misunderstanding. And I don't believe anything from Fox News, it's not a news outlet, it's a propaganda outlet.

I have to disagree with you there. An aggressive man or woman can easily be a threat to your life with their bare hands. Or they could take your gun and use it against you. The officer had no backup present at the time.

It's a heck of a misunderstandig when you grab someone by the throat and shove him down:



Maybe Brown meant that in a nice way...