Ethical paradox: Would You Kill Baby Hitler?

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18 Feb 2021, 11:27 am

It would be easier if he was an ugly baby.Maybe he had a bad disposition then.Possibly a biter.
Ooopsy !!Baby Hitler bit me like a rabid dog so I had to sling him out the window.He was frothing at the mouth ,so most likely rabid.


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18 Feb 2021, 11:36 am

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Hitler would have been just a frustrated painter if it wasn't for the massive wave of trauma, frustration and radicalization of German society of that time. He surfed that wave, to disastrous effects, but without him, this wave would have been there anyway and the disaster would likely have happened anyway - maybe in different shape (communism?).

In a book "For your own good", Alice Miller argues that an important factor in Hitler's story was harm done to him by his narcissistic father - and that upbringing like that was popular in Germany of that time, so his insanities could readily resonate in the broader society.

My sentiments exactly ❤️



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18 Feb 2021, 1:05 pm

Many men of that era grew up with fathers like Hitler.They didn’t kill millions.
If Hitler was a narcissist ,he wouldn’t respond to any help.He wouldn’t believe he had a problem, in his mind the world and the people around him were to blame.
His art talent was mediocre, so he wouldn’t have been a great success.


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18 Feb 2021, 2:03 pm

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Many men of that era grew up with fathers like Hitler.They didn’t kill millions.
Actually - the argument is: they did.

They didn't massively protest. They did obey orders. Little of them did use their own conciences to contest the law. Many enthusiastically accepted what was happening.

Without all these people's support, Hitler would have been just a harmlessly unknown mediocre painter.


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18 Feb 2021, 2:34 pm

magz wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Many men of that era grew up with fathers like Hitler.They didn’t kill millions.
Actually - the argument is: they did.

They didn't massively protest. They did obey orders. Little of them did use their own conciences to contest the law. Many enthusiastically accepted what was happening.

Without all these people's support, Hitler would have been just a harmlessly unknown mediocre painter.

Fathers were like that in other countries during the same time period.Its not like Germany had a monopoly on bad dads.


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18 Feb 2021, 2:45 pm

No, Germany additionally had a recently lost great war and crippling economic crisis.


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18 Feb 2021, 2:50 pm

Fathers of that era tended to be very macho, sons were not nurtured.His father probably wouldn’t have been any nicer in better times.


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21 Feb 2021, 12:37 am

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Yeah, baby Hitler was cute. :mrgreen:



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21 Feb 2021, 12:43 am

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historians know that hitler put his trust in a quack doctor, who likely had something to do with his well-described psychoses.


This is probably the only valid defense for Hitler apologists as to his trajectory toward mass murderer. Hitler was taking a cocktail of drugs and encouraged many of the German troops to take medication like methamphetamine to make them bezerkers
https://time.com/5752114/nazi-military-drugs/

Actually the viking bezerkers also were fueled on mushrooms and explains why vikings killed women and children without compunction



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21 Feb 2021, 12:46 am

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Was Stalin a psychopath? OK, that last one was a bad example. :mrgreen:


But "what about Stalin" is beginning to sound like "what about Hillary".

The difference between Stalin, Genghis Khan and Hitler is only one of them murdered people based on their race and only one of them murdered equal numbers women and children and babies to men.



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21 Feb 2021, 1:00 am

Misslizard wrote:
Many men of that era grew up with fathers like Hitler.They didn’t kill millions.


Like stalin, he too had the intiatve and prevailed above millions of others.

Hitler was no coward, BTW, received a medal in WWI and it took 'guts' to front the military in the German insurrection.
Yes, *THAT* was an insurrection. :mrgreen:
He exploited this to the hilt and eventually, well, you know. 8O

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If Hitler was a narcissist ,he wouldn’t respond to any help.He wouldn’t believe he had a problem, in his mind the world and the people around him were to blame.


Actually, from memory, Hitler *did* blame the people in the end, for being weak.
But he did have a pronounced mental illness, by then.



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21 Feb 2021, 1:21 am

magz wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Many men of that era grew up with fathers like Hitler.They didn’t kill millions.
Actually - the argument is: they did.

They didn't massively protest. They did obey orders. Little of them did use their own conciences to contest the law. Many enthusiastically accepted what was happening.

Without all these people's support, Hitler would have been just a harmlessly unknown mediocre painter.


You can apply that argument to indict the European 'invaders' for the genocide of the Native Amerikans.

My mother was 7 when Hitler came to power, btw.
Her family weren't Nazi supporters.

You are aware that most Germans didn't know about what was happening to the Jews, in terms of genocide, right?
Codes were even used to hide the fact.

"Arbeit macht frei."
Even the initial victims of the gas chambers didn't even realise what was going to happen, and they thought they going to showers.

Hitler didn't want "The Final Solution" to be connected with him, after the war.
It was heavily censored.

But look on the bright side.
The allies got even via the eisenhauer's death camps and the man-made famine which murdered millions of civilians.
In the two years after the war, Germany had one of the highest death rates of children, if not the highest, in those days.

There was a plan to poison the water supply, with the intention to kill more than 6 million Germans, but the famine was decided instead, obviously.
It was a 'better' look, as stalin knew.

Saul wanted to drop the atomic bomb on Berlin.
Had the allies done so, I wouldn't be here today! 8O

A missed opportunity for me.
It could have saved me a lot of grief. :wall:
Bugger. :mrgreen:



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21 Feb 2021, 1:36 am

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Pepe wrote:
Was Stalin a psychopath? OK, that last one was a bad example. :mrgreen:


But "what about Stalin" is beginning to sound like "what about Hillary".

The difference between Stalin, Genghis Khan and Hitler is only one of them murdered people based on their race and only one of them murdered equal numbers women and children and babies to men.


Xi Jinping is committing genocide on the Uygurs, as we speak.
I suggest you have a chat with him.

'Bomber Harris ordered the destruction of Dresden, for no military reason.
Men, women, children, fetuses, at least 45,000 and up to 60,000 plus undocumented incinerations.

140,000 @ Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

And what about the 'Fire Storms' in Hamburg, etc?

But that doesn't compare to the man-made famine, two years after the war, which murdered millions.

And your friend, stalin, murdered many more men women and children than Hitler, through his own man-made famine! 8O

Hypocrisy is a very nasty word, my friend. :eew: :mrgreen:



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21 Feb 2021, 1:42 am

cyberdad wrote:
The difference between Stalin, Genghis Khan and Hitler is only one of them murdered people based on their race and only one of them murdered equal numbers women and children and babies to men.


Damn, are you misinformed.
You may have a good knowledge base elsewhere, but history isn't one of your strengths. 8O :mrgreen:

Stalin murdered millions of men, women and children via man-made famines.
Genghis Khan murdered entire cities when they didn't surrender.

Dude. 8O



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21 Feb 2021, 1:55 am

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auntblabby wrote:
historians know that hitler put his trust in a quack doctor, who likely had something to do with his well-described psychoses.


This is probably the only valid defense for Hitler apologists as to his trajectory toward mass murderer. Hitler was taking a cocktail of drugs and encouraged many of the German troops to take medication like methamphetamine to make them bezerkers
https://time.com/5752114/nazi-military-drugs/

Actually the viking bezerkers also were fueled on mushrooms and explains why vikings killed women and children without compunction


Presumably, you are obliquely calling me a 'Hitler apologist'.
Perhaps I am simply defending the truth. [shrug]

My understanding is that Hitler always intended to attack Russia for 'Lebensraum'.

At the invasion of Normandy, German prisoners were summarily executed because they didn't want to have the military looking after them and wanted them at the front.

The movie "Saving Private Ryan" immortalised that.
Kudos for respecting the Truth.