Trump Calls for Ban on Muslim Immigrants

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A step back on Iraq, Saddam was a Russian supplied force that we played into a war with Iran, because we and The British claimed a right to rule Iran.

After the war ran down, we armed the Marsh Arabs to revolt, Saddam killed ten thousand, then we got the Kurds to try to kill him, and he used nerve gas we supplied him to remove a whole town of 8,000.

His not dying bothered us so we put trade sanctions on Iraq. Cannot sell oil, cannot import food, medicines, and this lasted a decade. Kuwait was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields.

The government of Iraq under Saddam had every group represented at the highest levels, Kurds and Christians, Islamic sects, and a million Christians lived there. Saddam was a secular dictator, who ran an inclusive government, women were represented, and they did not wear garbage bags.

Saddam was the same sect as the Saudis, and was running another model of an oil rich State.

He was going to sell oil in Euros.

Then we had the two Bush Wars, and a decade of occupation.

We made it what it is today.

We did find weapons of mass destruction, we had the receipts, and had built the storage facility. We supplied the nerve gas used on the Kurds to use on Iran. During the invasion, there was still a warehouse full, which would have been expensive to destroy, so we left it there, and ISIS captured it after we left. Chemical weapons have a short shelf life, it is decayed, but still lethal.

We are not the good guys. When the second Bush took office oil was $13. for the next fifteen years it was over a hundred. Now it is $36. That is still a bit high. Production exceeds demand.

So when the bad ones bomb and kill we just shrug our shoulders ? At what point do you do something like Trump is proposing to screen people who could be terrorists?

All terrorists so far belonged to the species Homo sapiens. Coïncidence? I don't think so. Isn't it about time to eradicate this harmful species from the country?

But you appear to be missing my point.

My original response is to why Americans hate Muslims. Specifically, why they are attacking mosques.

Saddam was declared pure evil on tv for years. Bush even said Saddam is part of the "axis of evil".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axis_of_evil

Your facts are not relevant to the formation of attitudes in Americans.

I saw where Trump called the Prince of Saudi Arabia a "dope." That's perfectly fine with me, I don't give two steaming s**ts about the Prince of Saudi Arabia. But couldn't he have come up with a better insult than "dope?" That's just pathetic!

We certainly shouldn't harass the innocent, especially if they are fellow Americans. Actual terrorists must be prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law, whether they are Muslims or Christians. And that means there should be no excuses for burning Masques.

He angered the eagle.

At least here we are in total agreement.

Much of US public opinion appears to follow a very strict fact-free diet.

Sadly enough, that's the case with too many of my countrymen and women.

Well, if it's any consolation... Italy is slightly worse than the US: ... and Silvio Berlusconi was rather... "trumpy", wasn't he?



Anyway, in order to re-rail the thread from my own de-railing, the above study actually had an interesting question, as it asked the respondents to estimate the percentage of Muslims in their respective countries.

Well, this is how people answered:



There are several caveats to the study... There are quite a lot of "I don't know" answers, and people were asked to give answers in interval of 10 percentage points, and not raw percentages... This doesn't explain the massive overestimation, though, as the Muslim population percentage is below 10 percent in all of the above countries...

Who's more wrong is a matter of perspective. Obviously, residents in France and Belgium miss the mark by the highest numerical score - more than 20 percentage points. On the other hand, the US estimate of the Muslim percentage is fifteen times higher than the actual percentage, only surpassed by Hungary.

Sources:
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpubl ... wrong.aspx
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/ ... lation.pdf (on how the index was calculated)
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/ ... ources.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... everything

Anyway, this may partly explain the meteoric rise of Trump in the polls...

Did Muslims participate in the poll?

If Trump takes away the voting rights from Muslims in America, then we'll all realize that Trump is just your typical narcissistic d-bag who thinks he can "make America great" again.

I do not know. There were between 500 and 1,000 respondents for each country in the survey, and they were asked about their gender, age, income, occupational status, education, region and social media usage, but not about their political or religious views.

Source: https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/ ... tables.pdf

I certainly agree about Berlusconi - it was if he represented the dress rehearsal for Trump.
At least Deutschland, the home of most of my forefathers, are showing more sense these days.

I think that much is already blatantly obvious.