i am legitimately scared about trump becoming president

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Please pardon a question from a Canadian - does Trump realize that the President does not have absolute power? There are checks and balances all over the place. It seems to me that Obama had a bunch of stuff he wanted to do but couldn't - the election is for a President, not an Emperor.

Yeah I think he does. I just think he's trolling his supporters.

He surely knows that but many of his supporters seem not to (or they don't want to). It's safe to assume many of Obama's want to do things were only campaign promises which are just that, something to entice and/or pacify none-too-bright prospective voters into voting.
ALL politicians are full of s**t and assume that everyone is stupid.
It's just how it is...

Nothing Trump has proposed is "bad". You should probably stop listening to the fear mongering "left" media and actually listen to what he says.

Deport illegals. Not bad. This should be the baseline setting.
Build a wall. Not bad. This helps deter said illegal aliens.
Stop immigration that has potential for terrorist infiltration. Not bad and makes a lot of sense (and has proof that it's actually happening, such as France).

These aren't even "right" leaning policies.

(No, I'm not a fan of Trump. I'm a fan of fair representation, though.)

First there's no right to car ownership.
Second in my state and manus you don't have to have your car tested. And only need to transfer and register if it's going be driven on public streets.

Wait so a normal person should have just as hard time getting a gun as a rapist does? Sounds like that's what your saying, just retreat everyone as a rapist until proven otherwise.

Also I noticed you ignored my post about you supporting removing gun rights from aspies by labeling all aspies as insane or mentally defective by default of being born different.

Or now holding your gun wrong can, because it's not technical specs, how a gun is built, purpose it's for that defines what it is, it's how you hold it. Hold a rifle one handled and it's a pistol. Shoulder a pistol and now it's an illegal sbr. If I use a sword to cut my steak is it a steak knife?

Wait so does that mean if I only drive a tank on the roads it's a sedan now? Or maybe a suv then I can use it off road too.

Or how about the "logic" of if I take a nude picture and post it online of my gf, she can sue Samsung, or hey my kid accidentally saw porn so I'm suing Sony because it was on their tv. Can I sue Hanes because I wore their underwear on my head and it didn't protect me from rain.

So why should a gun company be sued because their product functioned as it should but was misused. Companies aren't responsible for misuse of th or product only for if it malfunctions. Suing companies for misuse isn't something liberals should want to open. Or we can start suing car makers for drunk drivers til no more cars are made. Then bikes. How will liberals get around. Restaurants will go bankrupt from law suits from people eating too much.oh my double law suits you can sue the liquor manufacturer and car manufacturers and get double the payments, and he was probably wearing shoes so sue the shoe manufacturers too. And what about the people who made the keys. My gosh raptor you'd be looking at multiple multi million dollar payouts times thousands of people. Then there's lawsuits for accidents towards car manufacturers. There's a reason you can't sue manufacturers for misuse of their product it's not logical it's insane. Only way to prevent someone from misusing a product would be to never make it.

Oh oh everyone should have to do a breathalyzer before they can drive each and every time. It's a driver background check. It'll pr vent thousands of deaths a year as no drunk will be able to drive. Everyone will have to pay to have one installed in their cars. Just like gun owners have to pay to do a background check. If it'll save just one person it's worth it right?

Tell that to Obama he seems to think he has absolute power. He's changing laws and redefining thousand if not eventually millions of people as mentally ok to mentally defective without due process.

"Congress won't do what I want, whah whah , freak them then I just do it myself and bypass congress whah whah" what a little child.
He came for the autistics and people did nothing, when he comes for the rest who will be around to say anything?

Well first he came for the veterans and people said nothing, not its aspies and autistics, and other disfranchised people care little about.

I hope trump gets elected and the liberals feel the pain they've inflicted on us 10 times over. It's called karma and it's a b**ch

Trump could make America great again like he says, why not roll the dice? I have no attachment to the status quo and Trump is anything but, he isn't owned by anyone and has some good ideas that none of the other candidates have because they are beholden to CoC and big money donors. I like Rand Paul but he is a weak candidate and can't win, Hillary certainly won't help America, Sanders I'd only vote for if he was going against some establishment neoconservative Republican, may as well vote for the communist with the saner foreign policy. I think 'the art of the deal' in the White House to be intriguing, Trump is the only candidate that wants to really reset our relationship with Russia and would realign our foreign policy into one that serves our interests. I don't see anything to fear, I fear more for my rights under Obama and almost any Democrat more than I do Trump. I know it's hard for people to remember another Republican president other than the Bush family which has ruled as a dynasty since taking over in 1980.

He's not a religious ideologue or brow beating moralist, what should I fear? A lot you people simply don't understand the crisis we have on our border and with immigration and trade, I see it first hand every day in this state. Trump is playing to win too, he's not even ashamed to admit it and why should he be? Politics in this country essentially is a game show, now the media is just pissed they can't rig it anymore.

Our National Debt, plus Student Debt, will kill the future and make us debt slaves to the Federal Reserve System.

Trump is the only one bringing this up.

One third of the population of Mexico is living illegally in the United States.

Mexico seems to have a monopoly on drug delivery and distribution in the United States.

Only a racist bigot, white supremacist would want to deport them.

Closing our borders for a week would cave in the economy of China and Mexico. Mexico will come get their people and build a wall to keep access to our market. The only way to stop the Cartels is for the Mexican Army to block the border on their side. Like ISIS, the first thing to do is cut off the money. Stop the drugs, or the United States is closed to Mexico.

Mexico provides the drugs and a large segment of our prison population, 31% Hispanic. Take them back to serve their sentences in Mexico, or the border remains closed.

The same for all countries south of there, who refuse the return of their people, take them back, including the criminals, or all trade, tourism, visas, banking, stops until you do. No, you can not have a Visa to send Diplomats to the UN in New York to complain. File a suit with the WTO, we will keep you in Court for years.

While we are waiting we can form prison colonies to clear brush and plant grass and trees on Government land in the west. They can also be used to harvest crops. No visa, expired visa, in Mexico is an automatic two years in jail.

All Mexicans found here can be given two years hard labor, they will all find their own way back to Mexico.

China is a pipeline, the first cargo ship refused entry, told go back to China, plugs that pipeline and stops all Chinese industry. We are flooded with cheap consumer goods, and the better stuff comes from South Korea.

They will buy an amount of goods equal to what they sell here, Fair Trade, or all of their goods will face a 35% Tariff. That will raise the price of their goods, to where American made goods can be sold.

Deporting illegals opens jobs for legal Hispanics, Blacks, and less educated Whites. It also reduces rents.

Bringing back jobs employs our surplus of educated and indebted people.

All immigration should be stopped until we have full employment and rising wages.

This has to continue until the National Debt is retired, our roads, rails, bridges, ports, and Free Public Education matches the quality of our Universal Health Care.

Our National Lands need to be restored, enlarged, and new National Parks formed. One a hundred miles wide from Big Bend National Park north to the Canadian border, watered from the Great Lakes, planted in trees, making a wind brake and migration trail across the country.

Nature is our best defense against climate change. Progress does not mean destruction.

We can have a common vision of The America we hand to the next generation.

Nothing in that defining 'dealer' either.
Obama is extending the requirement for licenses to everyone involved in the 'business' of selling guns, which broadens the coverage hardly at all - and yet the gunnuts are losing their collective s**t over it.


If there had been cars at the founding, I haven't the slightest doubt that there would be some sort of constitutional 'right to drive' or something like that. I'm arguing from what is logical, not from what is enshrined in a 200 year old doccument written before the existence of automatic weapons. But I'll be fair: I'm perfectly ok with universal access to muzzle-loading rifles and blunderbusses, completely sans any background checks, even from high-volume dealers.

Don't pretend to be stupid. If hammers, knives, swords, etc. were as good at killing people as guns are, we could save a hell of a lot of money by arming our military with them instead of guns. You can buy a pretty decent modern-steel, production katana for $15K.


see above, re. cars

Dude, that's what background checks are about. That's what I've been talking about since my first post.

I couldn't buy a gun from Raptor's Gunz-on-wheels any more easily than a rapist. However, either of us could go to a gun show or Craigslist and buy a gun with no background check.

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cars are objectively a hell of a lot more important to the average American than guns are.

I bet that cars, and the driving of cars, are still vastly more regulated in your state than guns are.

*snort* only if the background check allows the convicted rapist to then purchase a gun. If the background check prevents the rapist from purchasing the gun, or forces them to find an illegal dealer who is willing to be held criminally responsible if caught selling to a convicted rapist, then no: background checks, which law-abiding citizens will pass and rapists will not, do not level the playing ground between rapists and law abiding citizens. That was so stupid it doesn't even rise to the level of rhetoric.

Didn't notice it.
But no: ordinary mental illness is not treated the same, either legally or medically, as criminal insanity. You're more likely to see Aspies and other non-NT people lose rights under Trump, though (to drag this line, kicking and screaming, back on-topic); we've seen how he mocks the disabled and other people that don't fit his definition of 'ideal.'

Kinda like how your tribe gets hysterical every time someone makes it slightly harder to get an abortion? Perhaps, because, you suspect that making it slightly harder is only the first step in a longer game? That all the information you have on the anti-abortion people suggests that they'd make it completely illegal in a heartbeat if they could, but in the meantime they're just trying to make it as difficult and inconvenient as possible? But, it's totally different when gun owners perform this exact same calculus...

Which has exactly what to do with how the law is written and interpreted?



I seem to recall that you don't even know your own state gun laws, and regularly use language indicating that you don't know much about guns generally, so I wouldn't put much money on that bet if I were you. Are there any states where driving a car is a privilege reserved for the rich and connected, the way gun rights are in California, New York, DC, and any number of other cities and states in this country?

Then your boy Obama is a day late and a dollar short. A dealer is anyone that procures and sells guns (intent to re-sell) or legally transfers them and they are already required to have an FFL. It's been that way for years. Call me academically lazy (I don't care) but I don't feel like looking it up chapter and verse. I've probably already done it before (or maybe not) in all the years of these gunz-r-bad threads. Whatev...


Muzzleloaders are already exempt. Even some early cartridge firing guns legally classified as antiques are exempt. I think 1898 is the cutoff.
They didn’t have cars back then (no kidding?) but they had horses, wagons, and buggies.
If we're only going to apply the constitution to what was available then, that means the 1st amendment applies only to the spoken word, handwritten text, and text printed with a Gutenberg type press of that era. Nothing after that would be protected.


I would say you first but I'd have to be sure you're actually pretending.


Yeah, right. No one’s ever been killed by anything other than a gun.
My bad.
"Nearly five times as many murders are committed with knives than so-called “assault rifles,” according to the FBI."

http://www.infowars.com/fbi-far-more-murders-committed-with-knives-than-assault-rifles/

No, you haven’t mentioned "assault rifles" yet (in THIS thread) but I know it's coming so there it is.


They had booze back then, too.




Which gun show did you attend where the laws pertaining to the transfer of firearms were suspended?
I'll wait.

Really, Craigslist?
This is what's first on the list of prohibited items.
- weapons; firearms/guns and components; BB/pellet, stun, and spear guns; etc
- ammunition, clips, cartridges, reloading materials, gunpowder, fireworks, explosives

https://www.craigslist.org/about/prohibited

I’ve never seen a gun on craigslist and I’ve looked.

A car won't sav your life. More Americans would consider their cell phones more important then cars or eating so what. 1/3 of Americans consider guns way more import than cars. That's why every anti gun proposal is so passionately stopped from passing.

Nope. Guns are more regulated.


Many law abiding citizens fail a background check due to the fact it's a crap system. If your names similar to a rapist then you don't pas , have to spend months fighting the cops to eventually get number to use in the future but even that doesn't help much.

SSA, in consultation with the Department of Justice, is expected to require will cover appropriate records of the approximately 75,000 people each year who have a documented mental health issue, receive disability benefits, and are unable to manage those benefits because of their mental impairment.

You're lovely dear leader considers anyone born different to be a violent threat. That includes you!! !! He wants to decrease stigma of mental disabilities by saying all people with any mental disabilities are violent and can't be trusted with guns. Yeah I don't see many people running out to get help only to have their guns confiscated like what's going happen to me.

Obama is taking my rights away right now today, I'll take my chances with trump and what he might or might not do. Hilary is Obama 2.0 on steroids. I know with 100% certainly what she's going do. Least trump might give my rights back.

What really bothers me is how easily aspies will throw fellow aspies under the bus all for some nt lying politicians who care only for themselves.

1/3 of Americans consider their guns to be more important than their cars?!?! I'm sorry, but that's incomprehensible to me. Even if I owned a gun, having the freedom to jump behind the wheel and go anywhere I want is paramount to me.