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Would you date a feminist?
Yes 37%  37%  [ 55 ]
No 36%  36%  [ 53 ]
Ima girl 2%  2%  [ 3 ]
Ima girl and still yes 19%  19%  [ 29 ]
I'm a feminist and I am offended by this thread 6%  6%  [ 9 ]
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25 Mar 2016, 3:46 pm

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^ it is a sweeping generalization based on observation.
And yeah, most regular women of the general population aren't even aware of men problems because it's something not talked about in the media at all (or extremely rarely - while women problems are commonly talked about on tv and in the news) - if you interview people in the street, how many of them would be aware that men commit suicide like 4x the women in many places? And how many are aware of the emotional suppression boys go through? How many are aware than men get harsher prison sentences for the same crimes? very... very few I bet, especially the women because they have no idea how it is like to live as a man.


I guess you missed the part where I said there is no point trying to discuss this with you and your sweeping generalisations and I'm not interested in doing so.


Alright...I guess I am your "foe" in your book again :lol:



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25 Mar 2016, 9:10 pm

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I guess you missed the part where I said there is no point trying to discuss this with you and your sweeping generalisations and I'm not interested in doing so.


If you're not interested in talking to someone, you shouldn't respond to their posts, it's kinda internet 101.


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25 Mar 2016, 11:15 pm

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I guess you missed the part where I said there is no point trying to discuss this with you and your sweeping generalisations and I'm not interested in doing so.


If you're not interested in talking to someone, you shouldn't respond to their posts, it's kinda internet 101.


I'm still not interested in talking to you either, and I've told you that before--so I hope in the future you will respect that request.


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26 Mar 2016, 11:28 am

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I am a girl and I believe in equal rights. However, man-hating women who blame men for everything drive me mad. I mean, sure maybe women are a bit worse off than men, but men have their own problems and it's really society as a whole that's the problem. There are plenty of men who treat women equally and respect women, so going around saying you hate all men because they are misogynists doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


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Why are women like yourself so unusual these days?


I'm curious: if I were to say "men who don't hate women are so unusual these days", would that be a sexist generalisation? If so, why is it OK to imply that most women these days hate men?



I've noticed that men who hate women, despite being outspoken on the internet, aren't nearly as common as you might be inclined to think.

On the other hand, I've encountered a lot of women who have resentment towards men......WELL before internet misogyny became so visible. In fact, I recall reading and hearing about it back in the 1990s.

What I do notice is that most women don't really seem to care about men as a group the way that many men care about women as a group. They are much more judgemental of our sex than we are of theirs. They like certain guys but dislike most of them. My sister is like that even though she was never mistreated by any partners. It might have something to do with women feeling threatened by men(and not just physically).



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26 Mar 2016, 1:38 pm

AR15000 wrote:
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I am a girl and I believe in equal rights. However, man-hating women who blame men for everything drive me mad. I mean, sure maybe women are a bit worse off than men, but men have their own problems and it's really society as a whole that's the problem. There are plenty of men who treat women equally and respect women, so going around saying you hate all men because they are misogynists doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


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Why are women like yourself so unusual these days?


I'm curious: if I were to say "men who don't hate women are so unusual these days", would that be a sexist generalisation? If so, why is it OK to imply that most women these days hate men?



I've noticed that men who hate women, despite being outspoken on the internet, aren't nearly as common as you might be inclined to think.

On the other hand, I've encountered a lot of women who have resentment towards men......WELL before internet misogyny became so visible. In fact, I recall reading and hearing about it back in the 1990s.

What I do notice is that most women don't really seem to care about men as a group the way that many men care about women as a group. They are much more judgemental of our sex than we are of theirs. They like certain guys but dislike most of them. My sister is like that even though she was never mistreated by any partners. It might have something to do with women feeling threatened by men(and not just physically).


You quoted my question, but you didn't answer it.


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28 Mar 2016, 12:21 pm

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You quoted my question, but you didn't answer it.



I didn't answer it because it was a rhetorical question. You weren't looking for an answer, you were using it as bait.



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28 Mar 2016, 1:07 pm

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You quoted my question, but you didn't answer it.



I didn't answer it because it was a rhetorical question. You weren't looking for an answer, you were using it as bait.


No, I really want an answer--would you think it was OK for me to say that non-women-hating men are unusual in the world? If not, why is it OK for you to say that non-man-hating women are unusual?

Does your avoidance of answering my question mean that you are aware of the double standard that you've evidenced by making the comment that non-mating-women are rare and allowing it to stand and not having it removed or being sanctioned by mods for breaking the rules about making sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex in this forum?


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28 Mar 2016, 2:23 pm

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You quoted my question, but you didn't answer it.



I didn't answer it because it was a rhetorical question. You weren't looking for an answer, you were using it as bait.


No, I really want an answer--would you think it was OK for me to say that non-women-hating men are unusual in the world? If not, why is it OK for you to say that non-man-hating women are unusual?

Does your avoidance of answering my question mean that you are aware of the double standard that you've evidenced by making the comment that non-mating-women are rare and allowing it to stand and not having it removed or being sanctioned by mods for breaking the rules about making sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex in this forum?




This isn't about double standards, it's about my observations of the ATTITUDES of men towards the opposite sex vs the attitudes of women(towards the opposite sex).

Despite what you read about in the news media, or the antics of internet misogynists(pretty much *every* form or prejudice and bigotry can be found on the internet), I don't see a lot of evidence that the majority of men have contempt or resentment towards women. And FYI I have met numerous men online and offline who vociferously claim they love women as a group. Besides, my father for example has expressed considerable sympathy for women but my mother hasn't expressed the same for men.

Now speaking of double standards, do you ever hear people say "woman up and take responsibility"? Or do we tell little girls under the age of 10 to "be a woman" when they're acting entitled and irresponsible? Society is full of double standards. I don't like it any more than you do.....But it's an ugly reality. It's not easy to find women who have admiration for men as a group; or the ones who do are not very outspoken compared to the women who dislike most men.



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28 Mar 2016, 2:41 pm

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You quoted my question, but you didn't answer it.



I didn't answer it because it was a rhetorical question. You weren't looking for an answer, you were using it as bait.


No, I really want an answer--would you think it was OK for me to say that non-women-hating men are unusual in the world? If not, why is it OK for you to say that non-man-hating women are unusual?

Does your avoidance of answering my question mean that you are aware of the double standard that you've evidenced by making the comment that non-mating-women are rare and allowing it to stand and not having it removed or being sanctioned by mods for breaking the rules about making sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex in this forum?




This isn't about double standards, it's about my observations of the ATTITUDES of men towards the opposite sex vs the attitudes of women(towards the opposite sex).

Despite what you read about in the news media, or the antics of internet misogynists(pretty much *every* form or prejudice and bigotry can be found on the internet), I don't see a lot of evidence that the majority of men have contempt or resentment towards women. And FYI I have met numerous men online and offline who vociferously claim they love women as a group. Besides, my father for example has expressed considerable sympathy for women but my mother hasn't expressed the same for men.

Now speaking of double standards, do you ever hear people say "woman up and take responsibility"? Or do we tell little girls under the age of 10 to "be a woman" when they're acting entitled and irresponsible? Society is full of double standards. I don't like it any more than you do.....But it's an ugly reality. It's not easy to find women who have admiration for men as a group; or the ones who do are not very outspoken compared to the women who dislike most men.


I see, so your position is that since sexist double standards already exist in our society, we should not only prop them up but we should also create more where we can. This "ugly reality" you speak of is inevitable, and should be reinforced and continued by us, we should not strive to do better than the past. That's a rather backwords-looking and regressive philosophy, wouldn't you say?

I like to learn from the past and move forwards rather than backwards. Since society tends in the forward direction, I'd rather not be left behind in the dust. To each his own, I guess.


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28 Mar 2016, 2:53 pm

wilburforce wrote:
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You quoted my question, but you didn't answer it.



I didn't answer it because it was a rhetorical question. You weren't looking for an answer, you were using it as bait.


No, I really want an answer--would you think it was OK for me to say that non-women-hating men are unusual in the world? If not, why is it OK for you to say that non-man-hating women are unusual?

Does your avoidance of answering my question mean that you are aware of the double standard that you've evidenced by making the comment that non-mating-women are rare and allowing it to stand and not having it removed or being sanctioned by mods for breaking the rules about making sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex in this forum?




This isn't about double standards, it's about my observations of the ATTITUDES of men towards the opposite sex vs the attitudes of women(towards the opposite sex).

Despite what you read about in the news media, or the antics of internet misogynists(pretty much *every* form or prejudice and bigotry can be found on the internet), I don't see a lot of evidence that the majority of men have contempt or resentment towards women. And FYI I have met numerous men online and offline who vociferously claim they love women as a group. Besides, my father for example has expressed considerable sympathy for women but my mother hasn't expressed the same for men.

Now speaking of double standards, do you ever hear people say "woman up and take responsibility"? Or do we tell little girls under the age of 10 to "be a woman" when they're acting entitled and irresponsible? Society is full of double standards. I don't like it any more than you do.....But it's an ugly reality. It's not easy to find women who have admiration for men as a group; or the ones who do are not very outspoken compared to the women who dislike most men.


I see, so your position is that since sexist double standards already exist in our society, we should not only prop them up but we should also create more where we can. This "ugly reality" you speak of is inevitable, and should be reinforced and continued by us, we should not strive to do better than the past. That's a rather backwords-looking and regressive philosophy, wouldn't you say?

I like to learn from the past and move forwards rather than backwards. Since society tends in the forward direction, I'd rather not be left behind in the dust. To each his own, I guess.





That is a STRAWMAN on your part. I don't believe they should be propped up but this isn't really a double standard, it's an observation about how men and women think and feel about the opposite sex. But what do you suggest we do about double standards? How do you and I personally change this?


To answer your original question, it's okay for you to say that but I honestly see it as untrue.



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28 Mar 2016, 4:19 pm

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You quoted my question, but you didn't answer it.



I didn't answer it because it was a rhetorical question. You weren't looking for an answer, you were using it as bait.


No, I really want an answer--would you think it was OK for me to say that non-women-hating men are unusual in the world? If not, why is it OK for you to say that non-man-hating women are unusual?

Does your avoidance of answering my question mean that you are aware of the double standard that you've evidenced by making the comment that non-mating-women are rare and allowing it to stand and not having it removed or being sanctioned by mods for breaking the rules about making sweeping generalisations about the opposite sex in this forum?




This isn't about double standards, it's about my observations of the ATTITUDES of men towards the opposite sex vs the attitudes of women(towards the opposite sex).

Despite what you read about in the news media, or the antics of internet misogynists(pretty much *every* form or prejudice and bigotry can be found on the internet), I don't see a lot of evidence that the majority of men have contempt or resentment towards women. And FYI I have met numerous men online and offline who vociferously claim they love women as a group. Besides, my father for example has expressed considerable sympathy for women but my mother hasn't expressed the same for men.

Now speaking of double standards, do you ever hear people say "woman up and take responsibility"? Or do we tell little girls under the age of 10 to "be a woman" when they're acting entitled and irresponsible? Society is full of double standards. I don't like it any more than you do.....But it's an ugly reality. It's not easy to find women who have admiration for men as a group; or the ones who do are not very outspoken compared to the women who dislike most men.


I see, so your position is that since sexist double standards already exist in our society, we should not only prop them up but we should also create more where we can. This "ugly reality" you speak of is inevitable, and should be reinforced and continued by us, we should not strive to do better than the past. That's a rather backwords-looking and regressive philosophy, wouldn't you say?

I like to learn from the past and move forwards rather than backwards. Since society tends in the forward direction, I'd rather not be left behind in the dust. To each his own, I guess.





That is a STRAWMAN on your part. I don't believe they should be propped up but this isn't really a double standard, it's an observation about how men and women think and feel about the opposite sex. But what do you suggest we do about double standards? How do you and I personally change this?


To answer your original question, it's okay for you to say that but I honestly see it as untrue.


How can you possibly know how all or even most women feel about the opposite sex? You can't make statements about an entire gender without making sweeping generalisations that are against the rules of this forum. Women are individuals, we don't all feel one way or the other about men, and to suggest that we do is a ridiculous generalisation based on anecdotal personal experience.


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28 Mar 2016, 5:27 pm

I hope the men in your life are not like the men you criticize so.

I've met women who like men, even when men irritate them.

I've met a few women who really dislike men.

I might have met a couple of who hate men.....but I find this phenomenon to be rare.

Most of the time, women are irritated by men because some man hurt them in some way--by cheating, by abuse of all kinds. Sometimes, they put armor around themselves so that they are not hurt again. This protects them from hurtful men--but it lessens her quality of life, in my opinion. It precludes her meeting a decent man who can make her happy and content.

Same with the man who's been hurt by a woman in some way. They build that armor; they don't allow decent women entry into their existence.



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28 Mar 2016, 5:30 pm

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I hope the men in your life are not like the men you criticize so.

I've met women who like men, even when men irritate them.

I've met a few women who really dislike men.

I might have met a couple of who hate men.....but I find this phenomenon to be rare.

Most of the time, women are irritated by men because some man hurt them in some way--by cheating, by abuse of all kinds. Sometimes, they put armor around themselves so that they are not hurt again. This protects them from hurtful men--but it lessens her quality of life, in my opinion. It precludes her meeting a decent man who can make her happy and content.

Same with the man who's been hurt by a woman in some way. They build that armor; they don't allow decent women entry into their existence.


That is some sweet wisdom, KK.



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28 Mar 2016, 6:01 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I hope the men in your life are not like the men you criticize so.

I've met women who like men, even when men irritate them.

I've met a few women who really dislike men.

I might have met a couple of who hate men.....but I find this phenomenon to be rare.

Most of the time, women are irritated by men because some man hurt them in some way--by cheating, by abuse of all kinds. Sometimes, they put armor around themselves so that they are not hurt again. This protects them from hurtful men--but it lessens her quality of life, in my opinion. It precludes her meeting a decent man who can make her happy and content.

Same with the man who's been hurt by a woman in some way. They build that armor; they don't allow decent women entry into their existence.



I've heard a lot more women IRL complaining about men then men complaining about women. When men do whine about women it's usually on the internet.

A lot of women have told me that they feel vulnerable around men even though men haven't done anything bad to them and other women tell me they are annoyed by the fact that men think differently and are oblivious towards the way that women think.

We are not going to make any progress by denying the differences between men and women. And @Wilburforce: I see far more criticism towards men on your part as well as assertions that women have it tougher all around.

I'm starting to realize that in order to have a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex, you have to learn to understand how they think and how to adapt your behaviour. And from dating women what I see is they have expectations that they don't verbalize and in many cases me telling them about autism has no effect on their attitude.



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28 Mar 2016, 7:49 pm

AR15000 wrote:
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I hope the men in your life are not like the men you criticize so.

I've met women who like men, even when men irritate them.

I've met a few women who really dislike men.

I might have met a couple of who hate men.....but I find this phenomenon to be rare.

Most of the time, women are irritated by men because some man hurt them in some way--by cheating, by abuse of all kinds. Sometimes, they put armor around themselves so that they are not hurt again. This protects them from hurtful men--but it lessens her quality of life, in my opinion. It precludes her meeting a decent man who can make her happy and content.

Same with the man who's been hurt by a woman in some way. They build that armor; they don't allow decent women entry into their existence.



I've heard a lot more women IRL complaining about men then men complaining about women. When men do whine about women it's usually on the internet.

A lot of women have told me that they feel vulnerable around men even though men haven't done anything bad to them and other women tell me they are annoyed by the fact that men think differently and are oblivious towards the way that women think.

We are not going to make any progress by denying the differences between men and women. And @Wilburforce: I see far more criticism towards men on your part as well as assertions that women have it tougher all around.

I'm starting to realize that in order to have a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex, you have to learn to understand how they think and how to adapt your behaviour. And from dating women what I see is they have expectations that they don't verbalize and in many cases me telling them about autism has no effect on their attitude.


Please point out any comments I have made which criticise men as a gender and make sweeping generalisations about men. I'll wait.

If you can't find any (which you won't because I haven't made them) then please stop putting words in my mouth and accusing me of things I haven't done just because you can't tell the difference between me and other posters. I've had far more romantic elationships with men than most of you here have had with women, and I don't regret any of them (even though some didn't end well). I also have many male members of my family that I love and appreciate (like my grandfather and my uncle) and my best friend is a man. Many of my friends in high school and college were male--I tend to relate to them easier than other women. Just because I don't like sweeping generalisations about women doesn't mean I have a problem with men--I only have a problem with men who make sweeping generalisations about women. Get the difference?


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wilburforce wrote:
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kraftiekortie wrote:
I hope the men in your life are not like the men you criticize so.

I've met women who like men, even when men irritate them.

I've met a few women who really dislike men.

I might have met a couple of who hate men.....but I find this phenomenon to be rare.

Most of the time, women are irritated by men because some man hurt them in some way--by cheating, by abuse of all kinds. Sometimes, they put armor around themselves so that they are not hurt again. This protects them from hurtful men--but it lessens her quality of life, in my opinion. It precludes her meeting a decent man who can make her happy and content.

Same with the man who's been hurt by a woman in some way. They build that armor; they don't allow decent women entry into their existence.



I've heard a lot more women IRL complaining about men then men complaining about women. When men do whine about women it's usually on the internet.

A lot of women have told me that they feel vulnerable around men even though men haven't done anything bad to them and other women tell me they are annoyed by the fact that men think differently and are oblivious towards the way that women think.

We are not going to make any progress by denying the differences between men and women. And @Wilburforce: I see far more criticism towards men on your part as well as assertions that women have it tougher all around.

I'm starting to realize that in order to have a successful relationship with a member of the opposite sex, you have to learn to understand how they think and how to adapt your behaviour. And from dating women what I see is they have expectations that they don't verbalize and in many cases me telling them about autism has no effect on their attitude.


Please point out any comments I have made which criticise men as a gender and make sweeping generalisations about men. I'll wait.

If you can't find any (which you won't because I haven't made them) then please stop putting words in my mouth and accusing me of things I haven't done just because you can't tell the difference between me and other posters. I've had far more romantic elationships with men than most of you here have had with women, and I don't regret any of them (even though some didn't end well). I also have many male members of my family that I love and appreciate (like my grandfather and my uncle) and my best friend is a man. Many of my friends in high school and college were male--I tend to relate to them easier than other women. Just because I don't like sweeping generalisations about women doesn't mean I have a problem with men--I only have a problem with men who make sweeping generalisations about women. Get the difference?


Some sweeping, blanket generalizations about the sexes are actually true. Like the notion that men are more physically violent than women....according to FBI and UN crime statistics, at least 90% of homicides are committed by men. Generalizations are not the same thing as stereotypes. When you're dealing with minority groups they are just far too close for comfort(minority group means < 50% of the population). But women are NOT a minority in the US or globally. And when it comes to equality, what does that mean to you? If it means men and women being indistinguishable that is not going to happen. If it means that both sexes are equally valuable and important to humanity even though they are different and that neither should have more power or privileges than the other....that is feasible. But it's time to face reality.