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Shahunshah
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03 Mar 2017, 8:57 pm

Alliekit wrote:
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^I think it would lead to too much tension between friends and family if discussed more than a simple I support this. My grandfather is a hardcore Nigel Farage fan whereas I think he is a slime ball so it would only lead to arguments

Why do we have to take politics so personally?

Its sad and its bad. How we gonna understand one another and find solutions if we dont here the other side.


Just look at the PRR section. People have little respect for others views or opinions. Then like minded individuals find each other and s**t happens and it becomes a thing because they assume they are correct just because someone agrees with them.

The sad truth is that it is human nature to want to be special so everyone acts like special snow flakes crying and being pissed when someone brings a valid point against Donald Trump or being outraged because of an einee minee moe rhyme :roll:

It's really interesting how similar right and left wingers are
Sometimes that is the case. You do get allot of thoughtful conversation in the PRR section too. I really hate it to see people suck at communicating with one another though it actively makes the world worse you know.

What is your experience of it?


of the similarity of the 2 groups?
Yes.


If I went into that we would be here all day. I often look at different sources on the same stories to try and build a sensible decision without influence so I come into contact with both groups on the internet often.

One thing is that both groups preach freedom while doing the opposite. Extreme lefties are so PC they take away freedom of opinion while far rights are soo un PC they hurt and are so intense they also take away others freedom of an opinion.
That sounds really good you look at multiple perspectives. I guess that's what the world really needs at this stage.

In regards to friends and family are most of them willing to discuss politics?


No its too intense a subject
How do we get rid of that?



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03 Mar 2017, 8:58 pm

trimming quotes would be a good start


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03 Mar 2017, 9:00 pm

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trimming quotes would be a good start
Wot you mean? :)



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03 Mar 2017, 9:01 pm

Hey JrJones, what do you like to do in your spare time?

I bet you're really a cool, mellow guy outside of WP.

Sometimes, I wish we could have a non-political thread here LOL



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03 Mar 2017, 9:22 pm

Lately, I've had too much time on my hands. That much should be obvious.

I have been kind of isolated for the past decade. It started intentionally, then became a habit, and now I intend to break it. I've been living alone, which has been edifying, but I think I did better when I shared space with more people. I think I do better maintaining a tolerance to minor annoyances coming from other people, and also I've read some research about the negative effects of social isolation. So, I'm moving to another place into a shared house with good friends. I also think I can do a lot better at being a roommate than I used to.

During that time, I spent most of my time studying. I like to talk more about science than politics, but the conversations here tend toward the highly technical, and I'm more of a generalist.

I didn't shun my racist-ass grandparents, and even loved them and did my best to help them. I'll do the same for my increasingly racist parents, and possibly even my occasionally problematic sister.

I thought I raised a lot more hell about 5 years ago than I have now. I really toned it down in the meantime, and decided to indulge in 90% less snark.


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03 Mar 2017, 9:31 pm

I like my privacy myself.

I, myself, am ambivalent about living with people. I live with my wife--and I still frequently prefer to be alone.

But I also know that I need to get out in the world, and speak to actual people to augment my conversations on the Internet.

I was rather close to being a hermit in the 1980s. I realized, pretty soon, that this wasn't going to cut the mustard. One can't live in a solipsistic vacuum, and expect to be a well-rounded person.



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03 Mar 2017, 9:37 pm

Just for clarity, I gave up on solipsism decades ago. This s**t is way too real.


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03 Mar 2017, 9:42 pm

Non-comprehending solipsism was my only state between the ages of 0 and 5 1/2.



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04 Mar 2017, 12:00 am

Shahunshah wrote:
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^I think it would lead to too much tension between friends and family if discussed more than a simple I support this. My grandfather is a hardcore Nigel Farage fan whereas I think he is a slime ball so it would only lead to arguments

Why do we have to take politics so personally?

Its sad and its bad. How we gonna understand one another and find solutions if we dont here the other side.


Just look at the PRR section. People have little respect for others views or opinions. Then like minded individuals find each other and s**t happens and it becomes a thing because they assume they are correct just because someone agrees with them.

The sad truth is that it is human nature to want to be special so everyone acts like special snow flakes crying and being pissed when someone brings a valid point against Donald Trump or being outraged because of an einee minee moe rhyme :roll:

It's really interesting how similar right and left wingers are
Sometimes that is the case. You do get allot of thoughtful conversation in the PRR section too. I really hate it to see people suck at communicating with one another though it actively makes the world worse you know.

What is your experience of it?


How so?


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04 Mar 2017, 5:33 pm

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You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.


Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.


Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

You shouldn't accuse me of attacking. With most people it'll make them go on the defensive and/or cause them to put thier tail between their legs and stand down since they don't want to be thought of as a bully. In my case it just gives me a wolfish grin and tempts me to do more naughty things.

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04 Mar 2017, 5:38 pm

Raptor wrote:
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You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.


Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.


Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

You shouldn't accuse me of attacking. With most people it'll make them go on the defensive and/or cause them to put thier tail between their legs and stand down since they don't want to be thought of as a bully. In my case it just gives me a wolfish grin and tempts me to do more naughty things.

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But Raptor.
It seems to me you weren't attacking.
You were making a simple observation.



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04 Mar 2017, 5:46 pm

People forgive a lot, although it doesn't pay to apologize to some people. I maintain that one cannot accuse another person of arguing in bad faith without lots of cause. LOTS. Even then, the idea is not to shut them up but to inspire some integrity. For anyone who likes a challenge, don't you find it too easy to dismiss your adversary as a monster or a fool? Or to invite that view of yourself?

That said, we probably all take our jokes too far, from time to time.


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04 Mar 2017, 6:03 pm

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That said, we probably all take our jokes too far, from time to time.


Well, hey ... I'm a Q ... so I stand, guilty as charged. 8)



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04 Mar 2017, 10:24 pm

Raptor wrote:
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You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.


Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.


Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

You shouldn't accuse me of attacking. With most people it'll make them go on the defensive and/or cause them to put thier tail between their legs and stand down since they don't want to be thought of as a bully. In my case it just gives me a wolfish grin and tempts me to do more naughty things.

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Umm a furry? :lol:



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04 Mar 2017, 11:21 pm

the_phoenix wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
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You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.


Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.


Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

You shouldn't accuse me of attacking. With most people it'll make them go on the defensive and/or cause them to put thier tail between their legs and stand down since they don't want to be thought of as a bully. In my case it just gives me a wolfish grin and tempts me to do more naughty things.

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But Raptor.
It seems to me you weren't attacking.
You were making a simple observation.

I know and so does Alliekit but I was accused of attacking so I played that card for what it was worth.


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05 Mar 2017, 8:42 am

jrjones9933 wrote:
trimming quotes would be a good start


:lol:


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