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04 Jun 2019, 8:25 am

In my mind, the heart of the matter is often abstract.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:34 am

red_doghubb wrote:
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There was a dude (or dudes, can't recall) who trawled Tumblr for all the gender identities he could find, and came up with something like 300+.


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I think it's because a patriarchal society is less offended my masculine girls than effeminate boys. Like the latter is taken more personally. I don't think it's coincident to this that straight men love lesbian porn (but would not in a million yrs look at gay male porn).


That's actually a lot simpler to explain. Men have a direct link between visual stimulus and sexual arousal, whereas women do not. Lesbian porn has at least twice the number of pretty ladies on display, whereas gay porn has none.


If I'm being honest, as a straight woman I like male porn. Maybe I'm a gay guy in a woman's body. :D


Is that "porn for males" or "porn with males in it"?

Either way, I was just pointing out the visual element of it ("this one has two of the ones I like looking at, and this one has none"), which is a thing that tends to be used while trying to appeal to men (for good reason). Consider that porn is an entire industry primarily aimed at straight and gay men, whereas porn that's aimed at women typically takes the form of literature.


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04 Jun 2019, 8:37 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
red_doghubb wrote:
Wolfram87 wrote:
There was a dude (or dudes, can't recall) who trawled Tumblr for all the gender identities he could find, and came up with something like 300+.


red_doghubb wrote:
I think it's because a patriarchal society is less offended my masculine girls than effeminate boys. Like the latter is taken more personally. I don't think it's coincident to this that straight men love lesbian porn (but would not in a million yrs look at gay male porn).


That's actually a lot simpler to explain. Men have a direct link between visual stimulus and sexual arousal, whereas women do not. Lesbian porn has at least twice the number of pretty ladies on display, whereas gay porn has none.


If I'm being honest, as a straight woman I like male porn. Maybe I'm a gay guy in a woman's body. :D


Is that "porn for males" or "porn with males in it"?

Either way, I was just pointing out the visual element of it ("this one has two of the ones I like looking at, and this one has none"), which is a thing that tends to be used while trying to appeal to men (for good reason). Consider that porn is an entire industry primarily aimed at straight and gay men, whereas porn that's aimed at women typically takes the form of literature.


gay male porn



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04 Jun 2019, 8:42 am

In NYC, in the 1980s, women used to like to go to Chippendales, a club which featured "cheesecake" male (mostly gay) dancers.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:44 am

I like abstract reasoning as well. And I engage in it sometimes.

But, in thinking abstractly, I believe one has to watch out for when become detached from what is "concrete," what is "reality."

The ultimate realization of a detachment from objective reality is solipsism.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:45 am

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In NYC, in the 1980s, women used to like to go to Chippendales, a club which featured "cheesecake" male (mostly gay) dancers.


Did the same number of straight women go there as gay men?

A male body does nothing for me unless I’m into the brain it’s attached to.

I would be grossed out at such a club.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:49 am

The primary clientele of Chippendales was straight women......



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04 Jun 2019, 8:49 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I like abstract reasoning as well. And I engage in it sometimes.

But, in thinking abstractly, I believe one has to watch out for when become detached from what is "concrete," what is "reality."

The ultimate realization of a detachment from objective reality is solipsism.


What is wrong with that? What problems do you think could arise from that mode of thinking?

I suppose it could lead one to a sense of apathy, but my thoughts are that if what I’m experiencing as reality is not real it’s still my reality, so I might as well make the best of it. It’s not like I have a choice unless someone unplugs me, says the magic words, snaps their fingers, or does whatever else the solution might be.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:54 am

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If you think a table is just a table, you’re a concrete thinker.

If you think a table has an “essence,” you’re an abstract thinker.

Personally, I usually lean towards the former. I am a male.


I guess I used the term "abstract" to refer to alternative an form of thinking to that of being socially focused. I didn't necessarily mean "abstract" as opposed to "concrete" in this way. But this is interesting and I'm happy to run with it...

A table is not a table unless there are human beings (or some other conscious entity) to relate to it as a table. This I think gives me an Idealist perspective. I find myself leaning toward the latter. I am male.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:56 am

If you don't know what's "real," you might get a distorted view of what's actually "real."

I believe in creative thinking, in conjunction and in complement with, seeking to obtain a sense of "objective reality."

There's nothing wrong with being in a fantasy world---unless you go out into the middle of a busy intersection in the throes of fantasizing. Or unless somebody who is in your care gets in a dangerous situation.

I am a lover of creativity. I am a lover of transcendent thoughts,.



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04 Jun 2019, 8:58 am

I believe in the richness of philosophical viewpoints. I do not ascribe to one particular mode of thought.

I believe some aspects of Aristotle---but also some aspects of Plato. There are times when one can say that Aristotle is diametrically opposed to Plato.



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04 Jun 2019, 9:07 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
I believe in the richness of philosophical viewpoints. I do not ascribe to one particular mode of thought.

I believe some aspects of Aristotle---but also some aspects of Plato. There are times when one can say that Aristotle is diametrically opposed to Plato.


It’s all jumbled in my head and I forget who said or thought what.

But I remember the ideas.



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04 Jun 2019, 9:11 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
If you don't know what's "real," you might get a distorted view of what's actually "real."

I believe in creative thinking, in conjunction and in complement with, seeking to obtain a sense of "objective reality."

There's nothing wrong with being in a fantasy world---unless you go out into the middle of a busy intersection in the throes of fantasizing. Or unless somebody who is in your care gets in a dangerous situation.

I am a lover of creativity. I am a lover of transcendent thoughts,.


I try to be safe because not being safe wouldn’t be in the best interests of my perceived reality whether or not it’s real. One must make the best with what he or she has to work with.

Of course, there’s always the possibility that getting hit by a car will unplug me, but I don’t think that the odds would make such a risk worthwhile. LOL



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04 Jun 2019, 9:13 am

What is “objective reality?”



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04 Jun 2019, 9:26 am

To me, it's the "reality" that most people around you perceive.

One example: The Empire State Building. That is objectively viewed, by the vast majority of people, as a building on 34th Street and 5th Avenue which extends extremely high up in the air.

Another aspect of "objective reality" is morals and ethics. Most people throughout the world believe just punching somebody in the face for no reason is something which is just crazy.



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04 Jun 2019, 9:31 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
To me, it's the "reality" that most people around you perceive.

One example: The Empire State Building. That is objectively viewed, by the vast majority of people, as a building on 34th Street and 5th Avenue which extends extremely high up in the air.

Another aspect of "objective reality" is morals and ethics. Most people throughout the world believe just punching somebody in the face for no reason is something which is just crazy.


But you can’t really know what they perceive or if there are even people around you at all.

I usually assume that what I perceive is correct, but no one can be entirely sure.

Since this very slight element of doubt is a given, I usually don’t mention it in conversation.