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23 Nov 2020, 12:37 am

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Calling most Trump supporters Nazis is like calling most liberals Commies.....I’m glad Trump is gone. I hope Biden begins to heal our wounds.

how can you be sure he won't arrange something extra-legal to keep himself in office?



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23 Nov 2020, 12:49 am

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Calling most Trump supporters Nazis is like calling most liberals Commies.....

I’m glad Trump is gone. I hope Biden begins to heal our wounds.



Did I miss where someone called Trump supporters Nazis? :scratch:

Or do you mean in general and not here?


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You were using avatars that had Swastika in them. I remember being appalled by one of them. Then it seems like that got dealt with because I remember X Files Geek saying something to you about it and you were made to remove your avatar.


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23 Nov 2020, 1:04 am

League_Girl wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
Calling most Trump supporters Nazis is like calling most liberals Commies.....

I’m glad Trump is gone. I hope Biden begins to heal our wounds.



Did I miss where someone called Trump supporters Nazis? :scratch:

Or do you mean in general and not here?


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I took a long break from WP because I was called a Nazi by a couple of members. I also stopped using Germany related avatars in order to blend in, so I wouldn't be called a Nazi. I told myself that I will forgive those members and come back to WP after Remembrance Day 2020 using whichever avatar I wanted. It feels strange to be posting instead of working on my hobbies, but Sunday is now my day of rest.



You were using avatars that had Swastika in them. I remember being appalled by one of them. Then it seems like that got dealt with because I remember X Files Geek saying something to you about it and you were made to remove your avatar.


If I could turn back time, I'd think twice about making that mistake.


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23 Nov 2020, 1:10 am

The constant talk of Nazis on WP is bizarre and probably one of the reasons why there are so few members left.

Those who feel compelled to bring up Nazis all the time, need to find some place else than an autism support forum.

There's plenty of other places on the internet you can go to talk about Nazis all the time.



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23 Nov 2020, 2:51 am

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I am not a fan of extremism in any form. The messy, compromised, contradictory middle ground is where it's at. But that's difficult territory for voters and the media, it's complicated, picking polarized sides is easy. Or inventing them if actually you have very little to choose from in your political system.

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IMHO people in the middle should not be using extreme description of people unless it applies.

Trump is either a bigot or is not a bigot who deliberately appeals to bigots just as bad as far as consequences go. What Trump is not is a Nazi or even Naziesque. No evidence he wants to systematically murder a group of people. His instinct is isolationist not conquer the world. What he has is plenty of authoritarian instincts probably enough to be called an authoritarian and that is really bad in and of itself. What he has been doing with the election is the scariest most dangerous thing I have seen a President do and I was alive for Nixon. If people want to think I am in denial because I argue against calling him a Nazi they have the right to their opinion.


This makes it sound like the only way to be a nazi is to literally go and murder jews while conquering the world. If you haven't actually murdered scores of jews, and aren't actively trying to conquer the world, you can't be a nazi, apparently...

Nazi germany didn't start out trying to conquer the world. They started out trying to "make germany great again". And they didn't start out with murdering jews - they started with stuffing "relocating" them into ghettos and camps, "for the good of everyone".

Trump himself doesn't HAVE to murder anyone - all he has to do it point at someone, and his army of kobolds will go get em. Or, y'know, cripple the healthcare system during a pandemic, that works too. Don't have to kill em if you can just "let em die".

By the above logic, even someone who worships hitler, wishes nazi germany had won, literally calls themselves a nazi, and given the chance, would murder jews by the score if it weren't illegal to do so, still isn't *actually* a nazi, since they haven't *actually* murdered dozens of jews...

Trump, like most entitled power-seekers, doesn't actually do anything himself. Clean hands that way. That's where dog whistles come in. Imply that something "should happen" or "could happen", and let his cult of kobolds run with the idea. It's amazing to see his orange puckered baboon-ass face when he denies saying something that we just watched him say, and can watch him say again, cos it was recorded. Like a kid lying about stealing a cookie, while they're holding the cookie. That's literally how The Big Lie works. Stick to it, even in the face of obvious evidence to the contrary. "No I didn't!" A nazi tactic. They may not have invented it, but they sure popularized it.

Bigots come in many flavors. Comparing them to popularized well-known groups helps identify what flavor of bigotry they are.

Any negative term can be subverted to stifle criticism. It's called an ad-hominem attack. The word does not have to be "nazi" in order to work. It also ignores the real possibility that the "criticism" that's being "stifled" IS in fact a nazi or klan or otherwise bigoted idea. While I'm sure in peoples' imaginations, they can envision situations where all someone has to do is call someone else a nazi, and everyone immediately and unquestionably joins in the chant nazi! nazi! refusing to hear another word and running them out of town with pitchforks and torches never to be seen again, and everyone started to slow-clap... but I can't say I've ever actually seen this happen in the real world, outside of internet troll nests. If everyone were that gullible to begin with, we'd probably still have actual literal witch trials, and stage magicians would be executed on sight for their "dark arts".


Read the entire thread. I have specifically defined Nazis as not only people who carry out systematically murdering a group of people but support such action or would participate in these activities if given the power to do so. Unlike Hitler who really believed what he wrote in Mein Kampf Trump only cares about himself. All actions are done in an attempt to get more power for himself. If a lot of people die so be it. That makes him evil, it does not make him a Nazi.

"Bigots come in many flavors"
Exactly
"Comparing them to popularized well-known groups helps identify what flavor of bigotry they are."
It often deflects from identifying who they are especially when the comparison is way overused like Nazi.
Saying exactly what flavor of bigot they are helps identify what flavor of bigot they are.


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23 Nov 2020, 3:02 am

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The constant talk of Nazis on WP is bizarre and probably one of the reasons why there are so few members left.

Those who feel compelled to bring up Nazis all the time, need to find some place else than an autism support forum.

There's plenty of other places on the internet you can go to talk about Nazis all the time.

This is PPR not the General Autism section. :D


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23 Nov 2020, 4:33 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
The constant talk of Nazis on WP is bizarre and probably one of the reasons why there are so few members left.

Those who feel compelled to bring up Nazis all the time, need to find some place else than an autism support forum.

There's plenty of other places on the internet you can go to talk about Nazis all the time.


So what you're saying is that you'd like an autism board to censor certain posters from discussing their special interest? 8)


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23 Nov 2020, 4:45 am

What I'm saying they could have bombarded more applicable sites with it instead of ruining WP.



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23 Nov 2020, 4:59 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
The constant talk of Nazis on WP is bizarre and probably one of the reasons why there are so few members left.

Those who feel compelled to bring up Nazis all the time, need to find some place else than an autism support forum.

There's plenty of other places on the internet you can go to talk about Nazis all the time.


So what you're saying is that you'd like an autism board to censor certain posters from discussing their special interest? 8)


No I'm saying they could have bombarded applicable sites with it instead of ruining WP. Which seems to be their real special interest.


Clearly this place has been ruined by people daring to disagree with the alt-right leaning posters who've moved on or gotten banned. Unless they're allowed to go unchallenged they won't feel adequately welcomed, so no dissent allowed. :roll:


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23 Nov 2020, 5:21 am

Oh my bad, bombarding WP with the Nazi "special interest" actually helped this place by making it Nazi free and keeping it that way. I should've realized an autism support forum is where Nazis will naturally flock to.



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23 Nov 2020, 5:42 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
The constant talk of Nazis on WP is bizarre and probably one of the reasons why there are so few members left.

Those who feel compelled to bring up Nazis all the time, need to find some place else than an autism support forum.

There's plenty of other places on the internet you can go to talk about Nazis all the time.

This is PPR not the General Autism section. :D


You know perfectly well it hasn't been confined to PPR. And this being an autism support forum isn't confined to GAD.



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23 Nov 2020, 6:13 am

If you find bringing up Nazis outside PPR, report it - most likely, either the post is inconvenient in the place or the topic should have been moved to PPR.


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23 Nov 2020, 6:52 am

It's pretty much the Nazis are everywhere on WP and need to be dealt with attitude that made the place what it is today.



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23 Nov 2020, 6:56 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
It's pretty much the Nazis are everywhere on WP and need to be dealt with attitude that made the place what it is today.

I don't understand, sorry.
Do you mean people claim WP is full of Nazis?


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23 Nov 2020, 7:05 am

magz wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
It's pretty much the Nazis are everywhere on WP and need to be dealt with attitude that made the place what it is today.

I don't understand, sorry.
Do you mean people claim WP is full of Nazis?


I took that to be what funeralxempire was telling me.



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23 Nov 2020, 7:05 am

magz wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
It's pretty much the Nazis are everywhere on WP and need to be dealt with attitude that made the place what it is today.

I don't understand, sorry.
Do you mean people claim WP is full of Nazis?


It is more like innuendos rather than alt-right out-right accusations. 8)