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16 Jul 2022, 11:28 pm

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The challenge with getting this right, as the OP I think stated correctly, is that destroying lives of teens isn't a good idea unless something really bizarre is happening (senior and a freshmen, ie. school peers, is a lot different than a 19 and 12 year old for example where the social bridge is a lot harder to explain). Similarly we consider it creepy if 50-somethings are having relationships with 18 year olds but it's technically legal. This is where these laws do need nuance because destroying lives, especially while letting the people in question live to old age with ruined lives and little opportunity for real redemption of any kind, is not only heinous but it creates criminals (ie. similarly perverse to throwing someone in jail for marijuana possession when this isn't applied wisely).


I’m happy with the law as it currently stands which is good because I don’t think it’s going to change. (I also don’t think this is an “extreme feeling.”)

Any changes or “nuances” will put more children at risk. There needs to be firm boundaries and that bar needs to be set somewhere. I like it’s current location. 19 year olds should not be having sex with 14 year olds. It’s creepy.



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16 Jul 2022, 11:53 pm

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Any changes or “nuances” will put more children at risk.
of course, you’re very quick to assume that. :roll:


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16 Jul 2022, 11:55 pm

CubsBullsBears wrote:
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Any changes or “nuances” will put more children at risk.
of course, you’re very quick to assume that. :roll:


You can disagree with me if you want to, but it’s not going to change the law.



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16 Jul 2022, 11:57 pm

Twilightprincess wrote:
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The challenge with getting this right, as the OP I think stated correctly, is that destroying lives of teens isn't a good idea unless something really bizarre is happening (senior and a freshmen, ie. school peers, is a lot different than a 19 and 12 year old for example where the social bridge is a lot harder to explain). Similarly we consider it creepy if 50-somethings are having relationships with 18 year olds but it's technically legal. This is where these laws do need nuance because destroying lives, especially while letting the people in question live to old age with ruined lives and little opportunity for real redemption of any kind, is not only heinous but it creates criminals (ie. similarly perverse to throwing someone in jail for marijuana possession when this isn't applied wisely).


I’m happy with the law as it currently stands which is good because I don’t think it’s going to change. (I also don’t think this is an “extreme feeling.”)

Any changes or “nuances” will put more children at risk. There needs to be firm boundaries and that bar needs to be set somewhere. I like it’s current location. 19 year olds should not be having sex with 14 year olds. It’s creepy.


You seem to be focused on a 19 year old having sex with a 14 year old than being focused on the other story where a minor snuck into an adult club and lied about her age and had sex with a 18 year old. I wonder where is the law in this to protect adults from minors raping them by lying about their age and using fake IDs and sneaking into adult clubs. Why isn't there an investigation for this when it happens?

You are not consenting to sex when you are being lied to. This is manipulation the minor is using to coarse the adult to sleeping with them. This is something I would not have done as a minor only because I knew then the adult gets in trouble and not you and it doesn't matter if you trick the adult by pretending to be 18 when you are 15.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:00 am

Only a sociopathic teen would have sex with an adult if they knew the adult would get in trouble with the law no matter what so they lie about their age anyway and sneak into adult clubs and have sex with young adults. Why? Because they don't care. They are not victims here when they do this and I judge them harshly for it, they are not victims when they exploit the law for their own use and not care what dangers they put the adult in by lying about their age because they wanted to open their legs.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:03 am

League_Girl wrote:
Twilightprincess wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The challenge with getting this right, as the OP I think stated correctly, is that destroying lives of teens isn't a good idea unless something really bizarre is happening (senior and a freshmen, ie. school peers, is a lot different than a 19 and 12 year old for example where the social bridge is a lot harder to explain). Similarly we consider it creepy if 50-somethings are having relationships with 18 year olds but it's technically legal. This is where these laws do need nuance because destroying lives, especially while letting the people in question live to old age with ruined lives and little opportunity for real redemption of any kind, is not only heinous but it creates criminals (ie. similarly perverse to throwing someone in jail for marijuana possession when this isn't applied wisely).


I’m happy with the law as it currently stands which is good because I don’t think it’s going to change. (I also don’t think this is an “extreme feeling.”)

Any changes or “nuances” will put more children at risk. There needs to be firm boundaries and that bar needs to be set somewhere. I like it’s current location. 19 year olds should not be having sex with 14 year olds. It’s creepy.


You seem to be focused on a 19 year old having sex with a 14 year old than being focused on the other story where a minor snuck into an adult club and lied about her age and had sex with a 18 year old. I wonder where is the law in this to protect adults from minors raping them by lying about their age and using fake IDs and sneaking into adult clubs. Why isn't there an investigation for this when it happens?

You are not consenting to sex when you are being lied to. This is manipulation the minor is using to coarse the adult to sleeping with them. This is something I would not have done as a minor only because I knew then the adult gets in trouble and not you and it doesn't matter if you trick the adult by pretending to be 18 when you are 15.


Adults are legally responsible to make sure that the person they are sleeping with is of age. That’s just how it is and will always be.

If they wanted to make a loophole about this, pedos would find ways to work the system to get out of trouble.

Kids make stupid decisions. It’s our responsibility as adults to look out for them. We need to make double and triple sure that the people we sleep with are adults.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:07 am

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Only a sociopathic teen would have sex with an adult if they knew the adult would get in trouble with the law no matter what so they lie about their age anyway and sneak into adult clubs and have sex with young adults. Why? Because they don't care. They are not victims here when they do this and I judge them harshly for it, they are not victims when they exploit the law for their own use and not care what dangers they put the adult in by lying about their age because they wanted to open their legs.


You can be as judgmental as you like, but you aren’t a psychologist and can’t diagnose people that you read about in a biased article with sociopathy.

You have no idea what the child’s motives were.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:13 am

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Adults are legally responsible to make sure that the person they are sleeping with is of age. That’s just how it is and will always be.


This is so absurd, how is an adult going to know when they meet another young woman their age in an adult website or in a adult only club and how are they going to know their ID is fake?

Just because there are laws doesn't mean they are messed up by how they are written, it's called critical thinking. You challenge it when you see flaws than just going along with it.

There is a difference between a teen being stupid and a teen being fully aware of the law but chooses to do it anyway because they do not care about the adult. If I understood this as a teen, they are capable of understanding this as well after being known about this. You would have to not give a s**t about adults as a child if you knew this law as a minor. I was all about justice and fairness and would get upset if I heard about anyone being taken advantage of and manipulated. Maybe because it happened to me as a child and the adults didn't give a s**t when kids would harass me and manipulate me and egg me on.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:14 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
Adults are legally responsible to make sure that the person they are sleeping with is of age. That’s just how it is and will always be.
I’ve already written something in this thread to debunk that:

CubsBullsBears wrote:
After thinking about it, there is another way that I can at least understand the laws that put people on the registry without intent; if schools teach students about those laws, and what it’s like to live as a sex offender. That way they know to be super careful, having proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the person they’re about to hook up with is of age.

But we all know that’s not the case. Reading Shakespeare books and determining the degree of an angle is somehow more important. That is why I’m so defensive of people who get tricked into committing statutory rape and why I don’t understand how the opposing POV makes any sense.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:14 am

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Only a sociopathic teen would have sex with an adult if they knew the adult would get in trouble with the law no matter what so they lie about their age anyway and sneak into adult clubs and have sex with young adults. Why? Because they don't care. They are not victims here when they do this and I judge them harshly for it, they are not victims when they exploit the law for their own use and not care what dangers they put the adult in by lying about their age because they wanted to open their legs.


You can be as judgmental as you like, but you aren’t a psychologist and can’t diagnose people that you read about in a biased article with sociopathy.

You have no idea what the child’s motives were.


If you are okay with a teen doing this, I am so disturbed. This should not be okay and by law they are allowed to do this.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:16 am

To add on, this is worth sharing, especially since there’s a part about laws in here.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:18 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
The challenge with getting this right, as the OP I think stated correctly, is that destroying lives of teens isn't a good idea unless something really bizarre is happening (senior and a freshmen, ie. school peers, is a lot different than a 19 and 12 year old for example where the social bridge is a lot harder to explain). Similarly we consider it creepy if 50-somethings are having relationships with 18 year olds but it's technically legal. This is where these laws do need nuance because destroying lives, especially while letting the people in question live to old age with ruined lives and little opportunity for real redemption of any kind, is not only heinous but it creates criminals (ie. similarly perverse to throwing someone in jail for marijuana possession when this isn't applied wisely).


I’m happy with the law as it currently stands which is good because I don’t think it’s going to change. (I also don’t think this is an “extreme feeling.”)

Any changes or “nuances” will put more children at risk. There needs to be firm boundaries and that bar needs to be set somewhere. I like it’s current location. 19 year olds should not be having sex with 14 year olds. It’s creepy.


They need to change the age of consent to 18 in the UK.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:21 am

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Adults are legally responsible to make sure that the person they are sleeping with is of age. That’s just how it is and will always be.


This is so absurd, how is an adult going to know when they meet another young woman their age in an adult website or in a adult only club and how are they going to know their ID is fake?

Just because there are laws doesn't mean they are messed up by how they are written, it's called critical thinking. You challenge it when you see flaws than just going along with it.


I don’t see flaws with the system. I think it’s fine as it is. Sure, unfortunate scenarios could happen, but I believe that it’s more important to protect children.

It’s quite possible that this slanted article is leaving out relevant facts as well - a point that no one seems to care about even though it contains some red flags.

Adults do need to be vigilant about making sure that the person they are with is a legal adult.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:24 am

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Only a sociopathic teen would have sex with an adult if they knew the adult would get in trouble with the law no matter what so they lie about their age anyway and sneak into adult clubs and have sex with young adults. Why? Because they don't care. They are not victims here when they do this and I judge them harshly for it, they are not victims when they exploit the law for their own use and not care what dangers they put the adult in by lying about their age because they wanted to open their legs.


You can be as judgmental as you like, but you aren’t a psychologist and can’t diagnose people that you read about in a biased article with sociopathy.

You have no idea what the child’s motives were.


If you are okay with a teen doing this, I am so disturbed. This should not be okay and by law they are allowed to do this.


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I never said that I was “okay” about this.

I said that teenagers sometimes make stupid decisions. This would be one of them. It’s important to note that teenagers are not adults, though. They are prone to making irrational, risky decisions because their frontal cortex isn’t yet fully formed.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:24 am

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Adults do need to be vigilant about making sure that the person they are with is a legal adult.


That means don't trust women, assume every woman is out to get you and is evil and is going to exploit the law and is lying about their age and using fake ID. Only go after older women who are obviously not a teenager or under 25, doesn't matter if you are under 25 yourself. Trust no women. Don't go inside them. I am happy with this misogyny here with any man that practices this principal.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:26 am

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Adults do need to be vigilant about making sure that the person they are with is a legal adult.


That means don't trust women, assume every woman is out to get you and is evil and is going to exploit the law and is lying about their age and using fake ID. Only go after older women who are obviously not a teenager or under 25, doesn't matter if you are under 25 yourself. Trust no women. Don't go inside them. I am happy with this misogyny here with any man that practices this principal.

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There was no misogyny because I used gender neutral terms. It applies to both sexes.



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