Disturbing Passages in Holy Books

Page 11 of 26 [ 410 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 26 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

IsabellaLinton
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 1 Nov 2017
Gender: Female
Posts: 72,422
Location: Chez Quis

28 Oct 2023, 3:07 pm

_________________
I never give you my number, I only give you my situation.
Beatles

RetroGamer87
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 30 Jul 2013
Age: 37
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,105
Location: Adelaide, Australia

29 Oct 2023, 5:34 am

TwilightPrincess wrote:

Apparently. Maybe they keep it in a special place along with her baby teeth and first shoes.

Well those can be faked anyway.

Anyone who demands evidence that can easily be faked is a special kind of fool.

_________________
The days are long, but the years are short

TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 30,152
Location: Hell

29 Oct 2023, 8:32 am

RetroGamer87 wrote:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

Apparently. Maybe they keep it in a special place along with her baby teeth and first shoes.

Well those can be faked anyway.

Anyone who demands evidence that can easily be faked is a special kind of fool.

God must be stupid. :lol:

_________________
“Tú, que me lees, ¿estás seguro de entender mi lenguaje?” — Jorge Luis Borges

TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 30,152
Location: Hell

29 Oct 2023, 8:47 am

Jesus seems a bit harsh and eager to dole out punishment for no good reason in Matthew 24:38-39. It is consistent with his overall view that people should sacrifice themselves, giving up family and personal prosperity, to follow him.

Quote:

For as in the days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day Noah entered the ark, 39 and they knew nothing until the flood came and swept them all away, so, too, will be the coming of the Son of Man.

Jesus’s words are also a bit different from the account in Genesis which describes the Earth as being filled with evil and violence in Genesis 6:5-8, 11-13:

Quote:

The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

11 Now the earth was corrupt in God’s sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways. 13 So God said to Noah, “I am going to put an end to all people, for the earth is filled with violence because of them. I am surely going to destroy both them and the earth.

In my opinion, Jesus’s words seem a bit manipulative to me. He appears to be appealing to people’s fear to achieve a specific goal even though it’s not really supported by scripture of supposed past events.

Obviously, science demonstrates that a global flood never happened.

_________________
“Tú, que me lees, ¿estás seguro de entender mi lenguaje?” — Jorge Luis Borges

TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 30,152
Location: Hell

09 Dec 2023, 1:08 pm

“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall come into the assembly of the Lord” (Deuteronomy 23:1).

_________________
“Tú, que me lees, ¿estás seguro de entender mi lenguaje?” — Jorge Luis Borges

Honey69
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 29 Jan 2023
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,915
Location: Llareggub

09 Dec 2023, 5:43 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:

“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose penis is cut off shall come into the assembly of the Lord” (Deuteronomy 23:1).

On the other hand, in Matthew 19,

Jesus Christ wrote:

For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake.

Another area where Jesus contradicted Old Testament laws.

_________________
Semen retentum venenum est

old_comedywriter
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 1 Jan 2006
Gender: Male
Posts: 728
Location: Somewhere west of where you are

09 Dec 2023, 5:52 pm

Most of these books belong in the fiction section.

_________________
It ain't easy being me, but someone's gotta do it.

old_comedywriter
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 1 Jan 2006
Gender: Male
Posts: 728
Location: Somewhere west of where you are

09 Dec 2023, 5:54 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:

Religion = Politics

_________________
It ain't easy being me, but someone's gotta do it.

Honey69
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 29 Jan 2023
Age: 66
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,915
Location: Llareggub

09 Dec 2023, 8:03 pm

But, back to

Deuteronomy 23 wrote:

A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord.

Many Jews regard Jesus as having been a mamzer, i.e. a bastard. Hence, he remained single (he wouldn't have been able to get a good Jewish wife). And, he was something of an outcast.

_________________
Semen retentum venenum est

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

09 Dec 2023, 8:53 pm

At the time the holy books were written the moral compass of people was not the same. Eye for eye and slavery and smiting one's enemies and taking women and children as booty was commonplace, Not surprisingly the vengeful "god" of the old testament seemed to also be into this type of stuff.

Jesus was an esoteric who followed a messianic cult of judaism so he spent most of his time fasting and praying in the desert. it's possible he travelled in his 20s and if made it Persia where he would have been exposed to buddhism which he absorbed concepts like turning the other cheek and do no harm. Mysteriously god became more likewise a little more forgiving and almost (not quite) salvation like, Early christians happily martyred themselves for their beliefs,

Fast forward to the age of European and Islamic empires and god was invoked when "good" christians or muslims had slaves and colonial subjects whom were declared nonhuman so they could inflict every type of horror onto their bodies and minds.

Whatever is written in holy books, the people (whether christian or muslim) interpreted the scriptures how they liked so they could act just as barbarically as their pre-"holy" pagan ancestors.

Last edited by cyberdad on 09 Dec 2023, 9:03 pm, edited 1 time in total.

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

09 Dec 2023, 9:01 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:

“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great." - Quran 4:34
.

Apparently Allah was a racist
Quran
Surah 3:106 On the Day when (some) faces will be whitened and (some) faces will be blackened; and as for those whose faces have been blackened, it will be said unto them: Disbelieved ye after your (profession of) belief ? Then taste the punishment for that ye disbelieved."

Surah "3:107 And as for those whose faces have been whitened, in the mercy of Allah they dwell for ever."

The above surahs explicitly state that people chosen for hell will have their faces blackened. So its clear that black is an inferior skin color according to Allah and his sent book Holy Quran.

I was thinking ,what about African origin black Muslims? Are they automatically sent to hell or are their faces separately bleached/painted white and sent to 'Jannah'(heaven) :lol:

naturalplastic
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 26 Aug 2010
Age: 70
Gender: Male
Posts: 35,189
Location: temperate zone

09 Dec 2023, 9:23 pm

cyberdad wrote:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

The colors are verbs. Not nouns.

Upon the day of judgement...you will have your face...given some color.

Its obviously not talking about what your skin color was already in life.

So on the day of judgement it will be like a crowded Burger King. And they will hafta give you a number. But instead of giving you a number the minions of God will spray paint into your face (OUCH!) so the subsequent angels know which line to herd you into. Either way you will screaming in agony from the spray paint in your eyes. But if its white paint you will go through a turnstile to go to heaven (like a boarding pass in an airport). Black paint and you will be put into economy class and go to...the other place.

It does have a certain logic to it.

TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 30,152
Location: Hell

09 Dec 2023, 9:31 pm

It’s sort of similar to the racism in the Book of Mormon which I talked about in this thread earlier:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

2 Nephi 5:21: And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

_________________
“Tú, que me lees, ¿estás seguro de entender mi lenguaje?” — Jorge Luis Borges

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

09 Dec 2023, 9:34 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

The colors are verbs. Not nouns.

Upon the day of judgement...you will have your face...given some color.

Its obviously not talking about what your skin color was already in life.

I do get that, but here's the thing, If you are Sub-saharan muslim who follows the literal meaning of the Quran who reads this scripture it would make you kind of nervous.

TwilightPrincess
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Sep 2016
Age: 40
Gender: Female
Posts: 30,152
Location: Hell

09 Dec 2023, 9:38 pm

cyberdad wrote:

naturalplastic wrote:

The colors are verbs. Not nouns.

Upon the day of judgement...you will have your face...given some color.

Its obviously not talking about what your skin color was already in life.

I do get that, but here's the thing, If you are Sub-saharan muslim who follows the literal meaning of the Quran who reads this scripture it would make you kind of nervous.

There are any number of problematic verses like this in holy books. Followers typically engage in apologetics and mental gymnastics to work around it. Been there, done that.

_________________
“Tú, que me lees, ¿estás seguro de entender mi lenguaje?” — Jorge Luis Borges

cyberdad
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Feb 2011
Age: 57
Gender: Male
Posts: 36,036

09 Dec 2023, 9:39 pm

TwilightPrincess wrote:

It’s sort of similar to the racism in the Book of Mormon which I talked about in this thread earlier:

TwilightPrincess wrote:

Didn't the Mormons have to re-jig this scripture to accommodate non-white adherents to their faith? It always amuses me how European christians in the 19th (and many even now) believed this crap. I am seriously concerned for the mental health of black mormons who buy into this stuff.

Page 11 of 26 [ 410 posts ] Go to page Previous 1 ... 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 ... 26 Next

Jump to:

Disturbing Passages in Holy Books Post Reply New Topic

Disturbing Passages in Holy Books