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I agree with you there but I think the point I'm trying to get across is that we're at a natural disadvantage in communicating I think (this is a broad generalization I know) but emotional reasoners will always assume some intent behind the words of the speaker. I think to them its varying degrees and since logical reasoners don't take into account the negative (societal) meaning behind words it puts them at odds since the emotional reasoners will assume malicious intent.

its why I stopped adhering to any position. Vocally at least. Both sides are filled with psychopaths. During the election I wouldn't even tell people if I was democrat or republican and who I would vote for (If I was back in the States).

you can't expect a discussion amongst human beings to lack an emotional component. 99.9% or so of ALL HUMANS (even aspies, yes) have feelings. they inescapably affect, to varying degrees depending on the person and the situation, our perceptions and our choices. trying to communicate with people, therefore, without making allowances for emotion and including it as part of the communication to be understood means there are going to be problems.

for example....say i learned a foreign language like russian, but decided that i didn't think inflection was an important component so didn't take the time to learn about where inflection was necessary, and how. then suppose i went and tried to have a conversation with a native speaker.....how much of what he was really saying do you think i would comprehend? in some languages, changing the inflection of a word can change it's entire meaning (like english, for example). because i have deemed a component of the communication unimportant without acknowledging that it is a component for almost everyone else who speaks it, i will always find it difficult to effectively communicate in that language.

so emotion is a valid and essential component of human communication, because it is an inescapable part of our nature and our daily lives. now, is it ok to be ridiculously emotional in discussions and simply insult anyone who disagrees with you, or become abusive and abrasive? of course it's not, and any sensible person knows this. it's all about personal responsibility and maturity. if we are adults, we should be expected to conduct ourselves as adults. this is a given, is it not? the sort of people who sling personal insults and derogatory language around on the internet like it was going out of style are the sort of people who are not going to respond rationally to a post like this. so why make it in the first place? what was the point, other than to say something obvious that we (responsible, rational, sensible people) all know already? yes, name-calling is bad and shouldn't be done. mature, respectful discussion is good. let's move on from the obvious now.

It's good that you spoke up about this.

I used to think it was just me.

Hmmm ever heard the saying "pot calling the kettle black" and shiggily you really have got a nerve describing the majority of us as being like rapid badgers, in a post complaining about inflammatory behaviour

For once I agree with Raggy PPR is just AS being AS here is a short list of the Diagnostic Symptoms

* Average or above average intelligence
* Inability to think in abstract ways
* Difficulties in empathising with others
* Problems with understanding another person’s point of view
* Hampered conversational ability
* Problems with controlling feelings such as anger, depression and anxiety
* Inability to manage appropriate social conduct


So in a forum like PPR for people with Aspergers you should expect some conflict.

Hmmm ever heard the saying "pot calling the kettle black" and shiggily you really have got a nerve describing the majority of us as being like rapid badgers, in a post complaining about inflammatory behaviour

For once I agree with Raggy PPR is just AS being AS here is a short list of the Diagnostic Symptoms

* Average or above average intelligence
* Inability to think in abstract ways
* Difficulties in empathising with others
* Problems with understanding another person’s point of view
* Hampered conversational ability
* Problems with controlling feelings such as anger, depression and anxiety
* Inability to manage appropriate social conduct


So in a forum like PPR for people with Aspergers you should expect some conflict.

* Average or above average intelligence - not a true characteristic of Asperger's

* Inability to think in abstract ways - Completely Wrong abstract reasoning has been show in this thread. There no correlation between the two.

* Difficulties in empathising with others - the only right one here though some claim to be able to demonstrate this quality.

* Problems with understanding another person’s point of view - not a true characteristic of Asperger's again. I can understand Shiggily's point and wrong thinking and starving artist claim to be able to understand phoenix's.

* Hampered conversational ability -depends on definition of hampering all social difficulties in Asperger's can be overcome.

* Problems with controlling feelings such as anger, depression and anxiety - not a characteristic of Asperger's initial reports included lack of emotional response.

* Inability to manage appropriate social conduct - false all problems with socializing can be overcome by training yourself. IE: I trained myself to look people in the eye, I trained myself in the ability to gauge situations for the best response. etc

It is not conflict that I am saying is bad. Its the inappropriate way people handle conflict. And I don't need a list of AS traits because that is no excuse.

the rabid badgers was the tongue-in-cheek irony that people missed.

No its not really an excuse more an observation that considering the nature of the members of WP you should expect some of the behaviours you are railing against. Also you joined last month, have you read the sticky by quatermass "read and take to heart' it sort of covers the concerns you have, since then PPR has become much more civilised.

I do not think that there is much of a problem now. PPR by its nature is going to throw up controversial subjects. Also you learn about some of the personalities on here and you begin to understand where they are comming from, this allows you to notice when someone is having a particularly bad day.

I would be interested in some examples of what you are upset about

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

they by all means. explain what you think irony is. According to the encyclopedia (the definition of which I am going off of) Irony is a language device in which the real intent is concealed or contradicted by the literal meaning of words or a situation, also a figure of speech in which what is stated is not what is meant. The dictionary also states "the use of words to mean something very different from what they appear on the surface to mean" and "the use of words to express something other than and esp. the opposite of the literal meaning ".

Perhaps I am wrong and you have some secret information I do not have access to.

I have no problems with controversial subjects. I have no problems with odd or unique personalities. And I have read the sticky. The problem I have is with people viciously attacking a person and not discussing ideas. Calling people terrorists or nazi or idiots or basically... the ad hominem attacks that people engage in to deflect arguments away from talking about issues and onto defacing their "opponent" in the hopes of winning an argument via personal annihilation. Hence why I wrote the post the way I did. 1. to get people's attention. and 2. to show them how ridiculous they look when trying to get a point across by attacking everyone they are talking to. Hence the intended irony of the thread. and my amusement about everyone attacking me for my so called "hypocrisy". The point of using words like "rabid badgers" was to make the irony more overt. But much was missed because people would rather attack other people then stop to listen to what the other person is actually saying. Thus proving the point of the thread in a very unintentional way.

You still have not answered my request for examples of what you are upset about.