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01 Feb 2009, 8:09 pm

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I think blackelk was referring to the atomic bomb.


Science is necessary, but not sufficient for nuclear weapons attacks. Politics has just as much to do with it as science, perhaps more. Most of the scientists and Los Alamos signed onto Leo Szillard's petition to put atomic weapons under international control. You saw how far that went, yes?

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So science can be used for evil by the powers that be just like religion can. If people want to bash religion on these grounds why cant I blame science in the same way?



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01 Feb 2009, 8:14 pm

blackelk wrote:
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I think blackelk was referring to the atomic bomb.


Science is necessary, but not sufficient for nuclear weapons attacks. Politics has just as much to do with it as science, perhaps more. Most of the scientists and Los Alamos signed onto Leo Szillard's petition to put atomic weapons under international control. You saw how far that went, yes?

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So science can be used for evil by the powers that be just like religion can. If people want to bash religion on these grounds why cant I blame science in the same way?


Because this an Aspie board.



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01 Feb 2009, 8:17 pm

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blackelk wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
I think blackelk was referring to the atomic bomb.


Science is necessary, but not sufficient for nuclear weapons attacks. Politics has just as much to do with it as science, perhaps more. Most of the scientists and Los Alamos signed onto Leo Szillard's petition to put atomic weapons under international control. You saw how far that went, yes?

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So science can be used for evil by the powers that be just like religion can. If people want to bash religion on these grounds why cant I blame science in the same way?


Because this an Aspie board.


lol. I really havent noticed much of a difference from other non aspie boards i have been on. Except the fact that there seems to be more intelligence on here.



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01 Feb 2009, 8:19 pm

It's a certain kind of intelligence. Aspie intelligence.



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01 Feb 2009, 8:30 pm

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It's a certain kind of intelligence. Aspie intelligence.

I think slowmutant is trying to point out that aspies tend to idolize science but not have the same positive opinions towards religion and that this tendency is likely linked to certain parts of the aspie psychological make-up.



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01 Feb 2009, 8:34 pm

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It's a certain kind of intelligence. Aspie intelligence.

I think slowmutant is trying to point out that aspies tend to idolize science but not have the same positive opinions towards religion and that this tendency is likely linked to certain parts of the aspie psychological make-up.


Nah, I dont think it has to do with aspies. Just a lot of the Dawkins atheists. Aspie or not. Elevating science to a religion.



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01 Feb 2009, 8:40 pm

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Nah, I dont think it has to do with aspies. Just a lot of the Dawkins atheists. Aspie or not. Elevating science to a religion.

Perhaps it is just that.



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01 Feb 2009, 8:49 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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It's a certain kind of intelligence. Aspie intelligence.

I think slowmutant is trying to point out that aspies tend to idolize science but not have the same positive opinions towards religion and that this tendency is likely linked to certain parts of the aspie psychological make-up.


Yes.



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01 Feb 2009, 10:21 pm

slowmutant wrote:
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It's a certain kind of intelligence. Aspie intelligence.

I think slowmutant is trying to point out that aspies tend to idolize science but not have the same positive opinions towards religion and that this tendency is likely linked to certain parts of the aspie psychological make-up.


Yes.


That's a funny way to put it. "Idolize". Science is a process to make sense of the world that not only integrates many patterns into a coherent structure but uses these inter-related patterns to produce very useful things. It's a great tool. That suits me fine. Religion doesn't do a damned thing for me.



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01 Feb 2009, 10:57 pm

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That's a funny way to put it. "Idolize". Science is a process to make sense of the world that not only integrates many patterns into a coherent structure but uses these inter-related patterns to produce very useful things. It's a great tool. That suits me fine. Religion doesn't do a damned thing for me.

Well, ok. Nobody has said anything about science being evil. The major issue is that science is human, limited in scope, and a specific methodology dependent upon certain assumptions that are usually not critically examined. Not only that, but another issue is that I do not think that most of the people on the thread are openly religious, certainly not of the sort to attack current scientific ideas, so I do not see why science is contrasted with religion in this case.



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01 Feb 2009, 11:06 pm

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That's a funny way to put it. "Idolize". Science is a process to make sense of the world that not only integrates many patterns into a coherent structure but uses these inter-related patterns to produce very useful things. It's a great tool. That suits me fine. Religion doesn't do a damned thing for me.

Well, ok. Nobody has said anything about science being evil. The major issue is that science is human, limited in scope, and a specific methodology dependent upon certain assumptions that are usually not critically examined. Not only that, but another issue is that I do not think that most of the people on the thread are openly religious, certainly not of the sort to attack current scientific ideas, so I do not see why science is contrasted with religion in this case.


It shouldnt be. It is just a false dichotomy put forth by Dawkins and uncritically parroted by his flock ever since.



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02 Feb 2009, 7:38 am

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It shouldnt be. It is just a false dichotomy put forth by Dawkins and uncritically parroted by his flock ever since.


Scientific theories are empirically falsifiable (in principle). Religious dogmas are not. There is the difference. In science, facts trump currently held principles and even beliefs. In religions, beliefs are held even in the face of contrary fact. That is a difference.

The result of science is a general increase in the prosperity of Mankind. The result of religion has often been strife, division, war and death. Bloody wars have been fought over whether Christ was -both- man and god or whether Christ was incorporeal and only had the appearance of man. What wars have been fought over whether physics is Lorentz Invariant or Galilean Invariant?

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02 Feb 2009, 7:49 am

The tools of war come from scientific advances. All of these things, science, politics, religion, are interrelated.



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02 Feb 2009, 9:19 am

ruveyn wrote:
blackelk wrote:
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Sand wrote:


It shouldnt be. It is just a false dichotomy put forth by Dawkins and uncritically parroted by his flock ever since.


Scientific theories are empirically falsifiable (in principle). Religious dogmas are not. There is the difference. In science, facts trump currently held principles and even beliefs. In religions, beliefs are held even in the face of contrary fact. That is a difference.

The result of science is a general increase in the prosperity of Mankind. The result of religion has often been strife, division, war and death. Bloody wars have been fought over whether Christ was -both- man and god or whether Christ was incorporeal and only had the appearance of man. What wars have been fought over whether physics is Lorentz Invariant or Galilean Invariant?

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Sand did not write. I would appreciate you getting your quotes correctly



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02 Feb 2009, 9:22 am

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The tools of war come from scientific advances. All of these things, science, politics, religion, are interrelated.


The tools of war and peace both come from scientific endeavor. It's who by and how those tools are employed that creates either well being or horror.



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02 Feb 2009, 9:24 am

Sand wrote:

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Sand did not write. I would appreciate you getting your quotes correctly[/quote]

My apologies. I snipped in the wrong place

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