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The former President of Mongolia accused Russia of using ethnic minorities as cannon fodder
https://twitter.com/b_nishanov/status/1573361332480782336

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It's telling that neighbouring regimes have to stick up for Russia's minorities while their own government views them as expendable cannon fodder.

Yeah, that's not going to end worse than it began.

Could it really be much worse than the current version?

I mean, maybe, but then they can just revolution again and again until they figure something better out.

russia has a long history of using the minority ethic groups in their country as cannon fodder. The soviets loved to send ethnic minorities, especially those from the east, into machine gun fire unarmed at the gunpoint of ethnic russians.

Ab-so-fucking-lutely. You could always (and most likely will) get an even more concentrated nationalist, 'Third Rome' informed Russian state that's less stable, even more ideologically extreme and now dedicated to avenging the slight it feels the west inflicted upon it (regardless of the fact that it was self-inflicted).

This regime would feel further even incentive to behave in the same paranoid manner the Russian state has traditionally behaved in. This regime would likely lean further into the idea that they're a Christian state under persecution by the godless liberal west (as the wackos to the right of Putin already claim, like the father of the lady who was carbombed). This regime would almost certainly behave with a heavier hand towards any regions that might seek to separate.

Think of the difference between the current Iranian or Saudi regime, and ISIS, only with an arsenal of ICBMs.
Think of the difference between the most conservative and pragmatic members of the NSDAP vs. the ones who were obsessed with mysticism, UFOs and pseudo-pagan rituals, only with an arsenal of ICBMs.

There's a good chance that whatever replaces Putin's regime will be a less rational actor.
They're all s**t sandwiches until you realize some of the s**t sandwiches also carry rabies.

Evil and stable is less dangerous than evil and batshit insane.



It's not that easy, there's enormous human and other costs associated with that, if that's seriously something you view as a solution. Maybe from where your sitting those costs won't be felt, but that doesn't mean those costs won't be felt by a lot of innocent people, many of them outside of Russia.

The collapse of the Russian state, along with the disruptions to food, fertilizer and energy exports it would cause would be catastrophic to the world's economy. It would likely trigger a refugee crisis in Europe (from Russians fleeing) and it would likely trigger ethnic conflicts in Siberia and other regions that Russia stole and filled with colonists.

It might not be your problem, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be a massive problem.

In a lot of ways Russia as a society behaves like a person who's experienced repeated overwhelming trauma (given that they have). If that analogy also works literally, it's understandable why certain coping mechanisms (both on an individual and on a collective level) end up so deformed. It doesn't mean the rest of the world has to tolerate antisocial actions their state undertakes, but it does mean it's likely that curbstomping Russia and repeatedly causing them to feel humiliated is unlikely to benefit anyone, not us, not Russia, not Russians and not ethnic minorities within Russia.

If that's the case we shouldn't do it, at least if we have any moral authority.

Probably one of your best posts funeralxempire. I agree.

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I heard that there already were lots of controls on the king prior to the English civil war. And that that was one of the reasons Oliver Cromwell refused to be crowned king, and opted to become...England's only dictator...because if he had been crowned king he wouldve LOST power.

It's disappointing that this is all you've got.

Most memes I see these days are either inappropriate to post or trump related. This was the best fresh russia/Ukraine meme I spotted in a while.

It does speak tho.. a bunch of pro war ppl months ago, but now none of them want to go to war.

I suppose it’s possible they’ve realized they were duped months ago.

As for revolution, I dunno.. Russians might be ready for a little shakeup and be willing to make a few sacrifices along the way to get rid of their current system of government and maybe implement actual democracy or something.

Or maybe the group, whatever they’re called, that Really run the show over there will get rid of putin and install someone else and carry on, only a little less crazily.

It's dumb given the context you're using it in. You're not using it to criticize formerly pro-war Russians when you use it in this thread, so it just seems like an attack on people who haven't dehumanized the Russian people adequately and who support a peaceful resolution.

The endless dehumanizing of Russians by many supporters of Ukraine isn't a good look and only feeds the paranoia about the west and it's motives; and I say that as someone who feels Ukraine is fully entitled to strike whatever Russian assets they see fit in order to ensure all territory is returned. You don't need to dehumanize a foe in order to defeat them, and not doing so makes it easier to pursue healthier relations later.



Neither of those are likely or realistic outcomes though, that's the problem. Ukraine so-far defeating Russia is a rare example of things unfolding better than most people anticipated. Hope isn't enough to make things turn out favourably.

We can hope Russia cures themselves of a number of multi generational issues overnight, but how likely is that?
No, those issues aren't our problem but aggravating them doesn't benefit us. If we want healthy relations, we need to ensure room for them to develop exists. If that's not what we want, we should stop pretending like it's a possibility and just admit it.