Does the government own your vagina?

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How come abortion couldn't be seen as a responsible act? It's not an act without burden...it seems that people want to punish others for enjoying sex without consequences. What's up with that? Why must something as good as sex have negative consequences?


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All actions have consequences. If people are going to have unprotected sex of their own free will, there is no excuse for not being able to handle the resulting "consequence". They both knew it was a possibility, they both chose to ignore that factor and if they want to take a life to prevent that consequence, then they are among the most selfish people that exist.

All actions have reactions.

And even going your "consequences" hate-route, having to pay for an abortion is most certainly a consequence and is not a free ride.


As far as the "taking a life" rhetoric, save it for someone who believes that pointless nonsense.

It's an act to avoid an even bigger burden.

Why must something as good as sugar have negative consequences if one doesn't watch his/her eating habits? Because that's life. And in life there are consequences for biting off more than you can chew. Feeling entitled to instant gratification while not wanting to take on the long term consequences of it is wanting something for nothing. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

So why don't you follow your own advice and save "Mind your own business" for the pro-choicers since that statement only preaches to the choir?

Last edited by AceOfSpades on 12 Apr 2011, 2:38 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Real truth... There is a huge difference between ideals and the BS way life works out. My son's father has never been active in his life.. except a brief 5 month period 7 1/2 years ago when he thought he'd "give being a dad a try." The sad truth is that for 4 of those years that he couldn't be bothered to see my son, he lived in the same f*****g apartment complex as we did. I wasn't a b***h... I left him alone and tried to give him space to build a relationship with my son.. He made choices that I have no control over.
You cannot force someone to be a parent. And the very real, very unfair truth is that more often than not, when one parent decides to walk away and abandon the child- that parent is more often then not the male. And what is the penalty... There is none. Sure, he's supposed to be paying child support, but I haven't seen it in over 6 years, since I turned him in for tax fraud. He won't work. He won't pay taxes. He doesn't care if he has a driver's license.

Though I wouldn't change the fact that I have my son, I think it's unfair to hold a woman to this unrealistic idea that both parents will be responsible.. Life is certain of nothing. What might be a person's best intention one day, could completely change by tomorrow. Before having a child, a responsible person should be certain that this is a step they're ready to take.

If you believe that the only reason for sex is reproduction, then you've never really enjoyed sex. Sex is a recreational activity. If a person injures themselves in an ATV accident, do you rush them to surgery or stand over them and say "That's what you get!"

I do not think it is a hate-route; I believe in that too, but what we really should have is sex education in schools to tell you about protection, sexual functions, the menstrual cycle regarding pregnancy, STDs and what happens if you have unprotected sex. You should not be ashamed to talk about these completely natural things.

I would like to hope people think they might have a pregnancy or get an STD if they have unprotected sex.

No one forces you to keep your cavities and let your teeth rot.

The original quote....

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LibertarianAS really screwed up in his attempt to butcher my original quote, as in all probability he meant this...



I really find it laughable, the rack he sort of steps on be using the term "people on welfare" before claiming that welfare recipients aren't people. Needless to say, if LibertarianAS is ever shipped to fight in Afghanistan and suffers a nervous breakdown when he returns home, I think he'll start changing his tune on personhood.

Yeah, now please exercise that 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% control over the country's revenue stream that your tax contributions entitle you to (okay, no, that's really not how taxation works under a sovereign country, but even for the sake of this pointless argument...).

I wouldn't take someone else's teeth just cuz my own teeth have become ruined through my own choices. Likewise I wouldn't take someone else's life cuz my own life has become ruined through my own choices.

I think a way of solving this would be for the Government to tax him more heavily and put that money towards child support.

I'm not sure....I think people are fairly aware of modernity but they continue to hold ideas and views that are archaic and the constant frowning on sex leads me to believe that it's out of a hatred or jealousy rather than being about responsibility. I'd dare to say taking action is more responsible than not taking action.

There's no "someone" involved. If you make abortion illegal, however, there will be numerous "someone"'s involved.

The Choice:

No Abortion: "Someone" is created and develops. They take on attributes, suffer as unwanted, and (may) become criminal.

Abortion: "Nobody" is created and develops. Crime rates will likely be lower.

Abortions provide positive externalities and therefore ought to be subsidized.

Right. The "personal responsibility" anti-choice crowd want as much punishment as possible for unprotected sex.


The ability to f*ck doesn't make you a mother or a father.



Sure. People choose to have sex, sometimes resulting in things they don't want, because their bodies are their own and no one else's.
That ownership isn't magically suspended at the moment of conception,
so likewise, if a woman chooses to have an abortion, it is because she owns her person.

So why is it okay for you to insist a fetus isn't a life, yet when someone else insists it is, they should save it for their own choir? That is hypocritical douchebaggery. Whether or not you see a fetus as a life depends on your stance. Yet you say it as if it doesn't.

Likewise the pro-choice crowd (That's right I have the maturity to not resort to loaded terms) wants to absolve as much responsibility as possible for people biting off more than they can chew. And some of em even want others to pay for the consequences of the actions of those involved by funding abortions with taxpayer money.

Greaaatt, I love this part. I'm gonna cut the seblantics and get straight to the chase.
Mother = The one that gets pregnant
Father = The one that gets the mother pregnant

And the fetus' body is its own from a pro-life stance.

Last edited by AceOfSpades on 12 Apr 2011, 3:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Because trying to make it illegal removes the choice for people who don't share your beliefs. People who believe what you believe obviously will not be getting abortions. I also think the rhetoric is overly inflammatory considering that you're talking in drastic terms as "killing" and "murder" which, traditionally, have much larger and direct social consequences than abortion does.