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What do you think of Rush Limbaugh's pay?
He is over-paid 54%  54%  [ 19 ]
He is paid what he is worth 43%  43%  [ 15 ]
He is under-paid 3%  3%  [ 1 ]
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25 Apr 2011, 4:00 pm

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If you seriously think I'm going to defend wishing children to die of AIDS, then you really don't know me at all. By the way, I would never think that of you.


Fair enough..

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As for Max Cleland - Bush had created a political environment in which it was possible for Republicans in Georgia and everywhere else to destroy their political enemies with the charge of anti-Americanism.


Oh so the marker has gone from Bush actually creating the smear, to Bush creating the political environment. Bush didn't create the political environment, 9/11 created that environment. There was a lot of anger about being attacked, this was not created or stoked by Bush. The person that smeared Max Cleland is the individual that beat him in an Election. Bush had nothing to do with it.

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As for the First Lady's fight for proper nutrition - she has plenty of defenders, not only in politics, but also the military and medical fields. So yes, the opposition is politically motivated.


No, it's actually about the principle that it isn't the Government's business in the first place.

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As for myself - of course I'm politically biased, as are you.


Okay that's a start.



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25 Apr 2011, 4:50 pm

Bush set the tone for the political environment after 9/11, and he and his allies used it to their political advantage.
As for the government not having any place in influencing children's eating habits - as a matter of fact, Bush number 1 had done just the same thing, by enlisting Arnold Schwarzenegger in encouraging kids to eat right and exercise.

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25 Apr 2011, 7:47 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
The answer really epends on what one means by "overpaid".



If both the buyer and the seller agree on the price how can their be over paid or under paid?

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It's not worth explaining to someone who doesn't get certain distinctions.


No, we understand the fact you hate him because he is a Conservative and not afraid to speak his mind, you furthermore hate him because he is now rich and you think you deserve his money which he worked for and you didn't.

Quite frankly, Rush doesn't owe you anything, Michael Moore is wealthy but I don't think he owes me anything, he's rich kudos to him for being successful.


I don't want Rush Limbaughs smelly money and I don't hate him for being rich. Are you simply trolling now? If you want to know how I really feel you can read my actual words. Otherwise keep your mouth shut on matters you know nothing about.



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25 Apr 2011, 11:03 pm

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
The answer really epends on what one means by "overpaid".



If both the buyer and the seller agree on the price how can their be over paid or under paid?

ruveyn

It's not worth explaining to someone who doesn't get certain distinctions.


No, we understand the fact you hate him because he is a Conservative and not afraid to speak his mind, you furthermore hate him because he is now rich and you think you deserve his money which he worked for and you didn't.

Quite frankly, Rush doesn't owe you anything, Michael Moore is wealthy but I don't think he owes me anything, he's rich kudos to him for being successful.


I don't want Rush Limbaughs smelly money and I don't hate him for being rich. Are you simply trolling now? If you want to know how I really feel you can read my actual words. Otherwise keep your mouth shut on matters you know nothing about.


No, I'm not trolling I'm essentially saying you really have no business in determining how much the man makes.



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26 Apr 2011, 1:04 am

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
The answer really epends on what one means by "overpaid".



If both the buyer and the seller agree on the price how can their be over paid or under paid?

ruveyn

It's not worth explaining to someone who doesn't get certain distinctions.


No, we understand the fact you hate him because he is a Conservative and not afraid to speak his mind, you furthermore hate him because he is now rich and you think you deserve his money which he worked for and you didn't.

Quite frankly, Rush doesn't owe you anything, Michael Moore is wealthy but I don't think he owes me anything, he's rich kudos to him for being successful.


I don't want Rush Limbaughs smelly money and I don't hate him for being rich. Are you simply trolling now? If you want to know how I really feel you can read my actual words. Otherwise keep your mouth shut on matters you know nothing about.


No, I'm not trolling I'm essentially saying you really have no business in determining how much the man makes.


No, you didn't essentially tell me that. If that was all you said I would have agreed. I don't give a rats ass what advertisers decide to pay him. That's their business and their money, not mine. However I still don't think he deserves the amount he gets from advertisers in terms of merit. Notice the distinction? I would place many professional athletes in the same bin.

I can see a bunch of Objectivist's heads exploding already.



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26 Apr 2011, 1:49 am

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No, you didn't essentially tell me that. If that was all you said I would have agreed. I don't give a rats ass what advertisers decide to pay him. That's their business and their money, not mine. However I still don't think he deserves the amount he gets from advertisers in terms of merit. Notice the distinction? I would place many professional athletes in the same bin.



Your opinion on who deserves what does not count for a thing except in those few cases where you are a paying party. Of the 6.5 billion people on this planet a vanishingly small set cares what you think about just deserts.

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26 Apr 2011, 8:30 am

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
The answer really epends on what one means by "overpaid".



If both the buyer and the seller agree on the price how can their be over paid or under paid?

ruveyn

It's not worth explaining to someone who doesn't get certain distinctions.


No, we understand the fact you hate him because he is a Conservative and not afraid to speak his mind, you furthermore hate him because he is now rich and you think you deserve his money which he worked for and you didn't.

Quite frankly, Rush doesn't owe you anything, Michael Moore is wealthy but I don't think he owes me anything, he's rich kudos to him for being successful.


I don't want Rush Limbaughs smelly money and I don't hate him for being rich. Are you simply trolling now? If you want to know how I really feel you can read my actual words. Otherwise keep your mouth shut on matters you know nothing about.


No, I'm not trolling I'm essentially saying you really have no business in determining how much the man makes.


No, you didn't essentially tell me that. If that was all you said I would have agreed. I don't give a rats ass what advertisers decide to pay him. That's their business and their money, not mine. However I still don't think he deserves the amount he gets from advertisers in terms of merit. Notice the distinction? I would place many professional athletes in the same bin.

I can see a bunch of Objectivist's heads exploding already.


marshall, if you really want to know, I seriously think you quite frankly don't have a leg to stand on. Rush Limbaugh's comments are all quite mild compared to the vile I've heard come from the left. Fact is Rush Limbaugh deserves the money he makes, it is simply business, he isn't out to screw people over.



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26 Apr 2011, 11:10 am

ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:

No, you didn't essentially tell me that. If that was all you said I would have agreed. I don't give a rats ass what advertisers decide to pay him. That's their business and their money, not mine. However I still don't think he deserves the amount he gets from advertisers in terms of merit. Notice the distinction? I would place many professional athletes in the same bin.



Your opinion on who deserves what does not count for a thing except in those few cases where you are a paying party. Of the 6.5 billion people on this planet a vanishingly small set cares what you think about just deserts.

ruveyn


And I don't care about your stunted Randianesque thinking that money obtained is the only measure of value/merit to work. And don't even start with the whole "my values are objective and yours are subjective" crap. You are just as subjective as everyone else. Disregard for nuances or values based on emotion does not make you more objective. All value is necessarily subjective and money is but one form of value.

For the record I would also put lottery ticket winners on the list of people who didn't truly "earn" what they received. Or look at Barack Obama who earned over 8 million last year on his book revenues. Do you think the money he earns is reflective of his literary merit, especially considering that he probably paid a ghostwriter for a big chunk of it? Apparently his books are 30 times more valuable than his office position as POTUS.



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26 Apr 2011, 11:15 am

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
The answer really epends on what one means by "overpaid".



If both the buyer and the seller agree on the price how can their be over paid or under paid?

ruveyn

It's not worth explaining to someone who doesn't get certain distinctions.


No, we understand the fact you hate him because he is a Conservative and not afraid to speak his mind, you furthermore hate him because he is now rich and you think you deserve his money which he worked for and you didn't.

Quite frankly, Rush doesn't owe you anything, Michael Moore is wealthy but I don't think he owes me anything, he's rich kudos to him for being successful.


I don't want Rush Limbaughs smelly money and I don't hate him for being rich. Are you simply trolling now? If you want to know how I really feel you can read my actual words. Otherwise keep your mouth shut on matters you know nothing about.


No, I'm not trolling I'm essentially saying you really have no business in determining how much the man makes.


No, you didn't essentially tell me that. If that was all you said I would have agreed. I don't give a rats ass what advertisers decide to pay him. That's their business and their money, not mine. However I still don't think he deserves the amount he gets from advertisers in terms of merit. Notice the distinction? I would place many professional athletes in the same bin.

I can see a bunch of Objectivist's heads exploding already.


marshall, if you really want to know, I seriously think you quite frankly don't have a leg to stand on. Rush Limbaugh's comments are all quite mild compared to the vile I've heard come from the left. Fact is Rush Limbaugh deserves the money he makes, it is simply business, he isn't out to screw people over.


And I bet you think Michael Moore deserves the money he's made off his "documentaries". Seriously, tell me how you really feel. :roll:



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26 Apr 2011, 11:23 am

marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
The answer really epends on what one means by "overpaid".



If both the buyer and the seller agree on the price how can their be over paid or under paid?

ruveyn

It's not worth explaining to someone who doesn't get certain distinctions.


No, we understand the fact you hate him because he is a Conservative and not afraid to speak his mind, you furthermore hate him because he is now rich and you think you deserve his money which he worked for and you didn't.

Quite frankly, Rush doesn't owe you anything, Michael Moore is wealthy but I don't think he owes me anything, he's rich kudos to him for being successful.


I don't want Rush Limbaughs smelly money and I don't hate him for being rich. Are you simply trolling now? If you want to know how I really feel you can read my actual words. Otherwise keep your mouth shut on matters you know nothing about.


No, I'm not trolling I'm essentially saying you really have no business in determining how much the man makes.


No, you didn't essentially tell me that. If that was all you said I would have agreed. I don't give a rats ass what advertisers decide to pay him. That's their business and their money, not mine. However I still don't think he deserves the amount he gets from advertisers in terms of merit. Notice the distinction? I would place many professional athletes in the same bin.

I can see a bunch of Objectivist's heads exploding already.


marshall, if you really want to know, I seriously think you quite frankly don't have a leg to stand on. Rush Limbaugh's comments are all quite mild compared to the vile I've heard come from the left. Fact is Rush Limbaugh deserves the money he makes, it is simply business, he isn't out to screw people over.


And I bet you think Michael Moore deserves the money he's made off his "documentaries". Seriously, tell me how you really feel. :roll:


Could care less if people want to watch Michael Moore's garbage and pay money for it, that's their business.



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26 Apr 2011, 1:04 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
marshall wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
marshall wrote:
The answer really epends on what one means by "overpaid".



If both the buyer and the seller agree on the price how can their be over paid or under paid?

ruveyn

It's not worth explaining to someone who doesn't get certain distinctions.


No, we understand the fact you hate him because he is a Conservative and not afraid to speak his mind, you furthermore hate him because he is now rich and you think you deserve his money which he worked for and you didn't.

Quite frankly, Rush doesn't owe you anything, Michael Moore is wealthy but I don't think he owes me anything, he's rich kudos to him for being successful.


I don't want Rush Limbaughs smelly money and I don't hate him for being rich. Are you simply trolling now? If you want to know how I really feel you can read my actual words. Otherwise keep your mouth shut on matters you know nothing about.


No, I'm not trolling I'm essentially saying you really have no business in determining how much the man makes.


No, you didn't essentially tell me that. If that was all you said I would have agreed. I don't give a rats ass what advertisers decide to pay him. That's their business and their money, not mine. However I still don't think he deserves the amount he gets from advertisers in terms of merit. Notice the distinction? I would place many professional athletes in the same bin.

I can see a bunch of Objectivist's heads exploding already.


marshall, if you really want to know, I seriously think you quite frankly don't have a leg to stand on. Rush Limbaugh's comments are all quite mild compared to the vile I've heard come from the left. Fact is Rush Limbaugh deserves the money he makes, it is simply business, he isn't out to screw people over.


And I bet you think Michael Moore deserves the money he's made off his "documentaries". Seriously, tell me how you really feel. :roll:


Could care less if people want to watch Michael Moore's garbage and pay money for it, that's their business.


Moore's documentaries are fine film work, with more work going into them other than just spewing rage into a microphone.

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26 Apr 2011, 1:15 pm

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Moore's documentaries are fine film work, with more work going into them other than just spewing rage into a microphone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'd agree with you if by "more work" you mean lies and distortions... :lol: Bowling for Columbine is probably the worst offender, just watch the part where Charlton Heston gives a speech and his tie and background change every time there's an intercut because Moore spliced together several different speeches to make him say things he didn't.


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26 Apr 2011, 1:22 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Moore's documentaries are fine film work, with more work going into them other than just spewing rage into a microphone.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I'd agree with you if by "more work" you mean lies and distortions... :lol: Bowling for Columbine is probably the worst offender, just watch the part where Charlton Heston gives a speech and his tie and background change every time there's an intercut because Moore spliced together several different speeches to make him say things he didn't.


I have to concede, I know little or nothing about what Heston had said as president of the NRA, as I really have little opinion either way about gun rights and gun control. But regardless, Moore puts a lot of time, effort and money into making his movies, whereas Limbaugh just spouts caustic nonsense into a microphone.
Moore genuinely earns what he creates.

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26 Apr 2011, 1:36 pm

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I have to concede, I know little or nothing about what Heston had said as president of the NRA, as I really have little opinion either way about gun rights and gun control. But regardless, Moore puts a lot of time, effort and money into making his movies, whereas Limbaugh just spouts caustic nonsense into a microphone.
Moore genuinely earns what he creates.

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My point isn't about Heston or even gun rights but about Micheal Moore's integrity as a maker of "documentaries". The Heston distortion was just one in a long string of untruths and misleading set pieces that he's put together over the years, right down to his own background (he's not really from Flint). His movies might be entertaining if you agree with what he has to say, but they should rightly be shelved in the fiction section at the videostore. Sure, Moore might be marginally more subtle than Limbaugh, but they're in different medias with different audiences and have different strengths; we don't know what a Michael Moore radio show or a Rush Limbaugh movie might look like.


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26 Apr 2011, 2:52 pm

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I have to concede, I know little or nothing about what Heston had said as president of the NRA, as I really have little opinion either way about gun rights and gun control. But regardless, Moore puts a lot of time, effort and money into making his movies, whereas Limbaugh just spouts caustic nonsense into a microphone.
Moore genuinely earns what he creates.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


My point isn't about Heston or even gun rights but about Micheal Moore's integrity as a maker of "documentaries". The Heston distortion was just one in a long string of untruths and misleading set pieces that he's put together over the years, right down to his own background (he's not really from Flint). His movies might be entertaining if you agree with what he has to say, but they should rightly be shelved in the fiction section at the videostore. Sure, Moore might be marginally more subtle than Limbaugh, but they're in different medias with different audiences and have different strengths; we don't know what a Michael Moore radio show or a Rush Limbaugh movie might look like.


You've sparked my curiosity. If not flint, where is he from?

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26 Apr 2011, 5:37 pm

Dox47 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I have to concede, I know little or nothing about what Heston had said as president of the NRA, as I really have little opinion either way about gun rights and gun control. But regardless, Moore puts a lot of time, effort and money into making his movies, whereas Limbaugh just spouts caustic nonsense into a microphone.
Moore genuinely earns what he creates.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


My point isn't about Heston or even gun rights but about Micheal Moore's integrity as a maker of "documentaries". The Heston distortion was just one in a long string of untruths and misleading set pieces that he's put together over the years, right down to his own background (he's not really from Flint). His movies might be entertaining if you agree with what he has to say, but they should rightly be shelved in the fiction section at the videostore. Sure, Moore might be marginally more subtle than Limbaugh, but they're in different medias with different audiences and have different strengths; we don't know what a Michael Moore radio show or a Rush Limbaugh movie might look like.


Dox47, Limbaugh actually does do research for his show, and in all honesty the left provides so much material that he doesn't have to make anything up.