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22 Jan 2013, 7:02 pm

Asexuality is a prototype of free love.

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22 Jan 2013, 7:11 pm

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i didn't mention asexuality either. i mentioned people who simply didn't have sex, not by any conscious choice like abstinence, or any sexual orientation like asexuality. they just didn't get any. and they were fine.

Well, what about them? :scratch:

you said this:

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Certainly a lack of sex can lead to all sorts of psychological problems, which impact both on the individual and upon society at large.

but it isn't the lack of sex that directly leads to problems, it may be other things like the sense of entitlement bestowed by culture (or a person's own messed up psychology. who knows?).

Meekly accepting one's lot in life is one solution. But, it won't work for everyone.

Some people might be satisfied with w*king off to pornography. Redoubling one's efforts to find a sex buddy will lead either to success or to redoubled disappointment.

"Sense of entitlement bestowed by culture?" What is that supposed to mean? People are entitled to seek happiness on their own terms. One is in charge of one's own life. If one culture doesn't work, another might. North American culture isn't all that it is cracked up to be. Far from it.

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22 Jan 2013, 7:13 pm

In America we are taught that the world does not owe you a living.

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22 Jan 2013, 7:16 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

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Well, what about them? :scratch:

you said this:

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Certainly a lack of sex can lead to all sorts of psychological problems, which impact both on the individual and upon society at large.

but it isn't the lack of sex that directly leads to problems, it may be other things like the sense of entitlement bestowed by culture (or a person's own messed up psychology. who knows?).

no, they are not entitled to seek happiness on their own terms. one person might get off on raping another, for example. that would solve all the problems - they would get sex, after all. but another person would be violated. that is why one person cannot be consider entitled to sex - the entitlement means that another person must give it to them.

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22 Jan 2013, 7:54 pm

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Certainly people have an entitlement not to be raped. That would take precedence over another person's entitlement to coitus.

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22 Jan 2013, 8:01 pm

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Certainly people have an entitlement not to be raped. That would take precedence over another person's entitlement to coitus.

it is the idea of entitlement to sex that led directly to the "rape culture" and women's lack of agency over their own bodies. it is changing, and but there is also a shifting climate in terms of sexual entitlement in general. you can see how it is problematic to make a blanket statement that anyone should be entitled to seek happiness on their own terms, because it just can't work as a universal statement when we are talking about sex with other people.

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22 Jan 2013, 9:08 pm

I love sex but only if she's enjoying it and gives me consent and vica versa I tend to be too gental though.

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22 Jan 2013, 9:57 pm

It would appear that gorillas, chimpanzees, lions, and some humans have a "rape culture."

Bonobos and dolphins seem to have more of a "free love" culture.

It might be fun if our species were more like bonobos than chimpanzees. We would have big orgies everywhere. Especially at buffet restaurants. We would get excited and have some rounds of coitus before picking up our plates and getting our food.

Another time for big orgies would be while waiting in line at the Black Friday sales, since we're all so excited about all the crap that we are hoping to buy.

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22 Jan 2013, 10:06 pm

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Prostitution is not the answer.

Why not?

I guess one could say that it would be detrimental to the culture to accept the trade of sexual acts - that it degrades everyone to accept it. But I would say that it has already become a commodity and the way society is responding now is more harmful.

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23 Jan 2013, 1:24 am

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23 Jan 2013, 1:58 am

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The difference between humans and gorillas however is that some women are still in the mood for sex so the male doesnt have to kill the baby to get sex. But even if it was the case i still think its wrong for the male to kill a baby just so he can get some sex!

It's not a question of being worng or not, it's irrelevant to natural selection. This have been selected by evolution because the male who are doing it have better chance to transmit their DNA than the male who did not. It's exactly the samething with the female spider who eat their male, it's a behavior made by natural selection. Female spider who eat male are more succesfull in passing their DNA to next generation of spider than those who dont eat them. Notion like good and bad are not part of nature it's human perception. All living organisisms are subjected to this natural process cold as physical laws.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:51 am

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. Bonobos have sex with anything that moves, but it's pretty much mutually consensual; chimpanzees are aggressive and jealous, as well as violent with neighboring tribes, but the pretty much only mate when the female is in estrus - and the head male generally guards that privilege without sharing, if he can.

Not quite.

Male chimps grant "sex privileges" to their allies in order to maintain power.

Male chimpanzees rise to "alpha" status by forming alliances with other males, not by exerting brute strength. A single male chimp isn't strong enough to completely prevent other males from mating. He only "hordes" the females when they are at the height of fertility, but even then he is only ever partially successful.

**source: various works by Frans De Waal**

That would be the 'if he can' part. Females sometimes elope.

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23 Jan 2013, 3:55 am

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Actually, it's a myth, Arrant, that genetic diversity makes a species stronger. What makes a species genetically viable are genes that promote it's survival no matter what those are. Genetic diversity often introduces genes that are not conducive to survival into a group that did not have such genes before.

It's only when the genes are bad and paired together that you see these diseases and whatnot crop up that can lead to illness and sometimes, death.

If you have a population without these genes and they are interbreeding, how can it be bad unless something mutates and a condition arises that way.

So you see, it's the genes that are to blame, not the actual breeding practices. Most people do not like the idea of interbreeding, and are disgusted by it. This is the real reason why it's not good.

genetic diversity is good where the environment is changing or when a species is moving into a new habitat. Since most habitats do change over time, genetic diversity is positively associated with long-term survival of a species.

In very rare, stable environments, species may even start to self-fertilize or clone themselves when they hit upon a successful phenotype; at that point, gamete mixing becomes a liability rather than an advantage.

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23 Jan 2013, 4:02 am

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23 Jan 2013, 5:26 am

hyperlexian wrote:

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i don't think i mentioned abstinence,

Asexuality as opposed to abstinence? Just a play on words.

Entitled or not, that is still a sh***y situation to be in. Not because of the lack of sex but because of the loneliness, since it also implies that they could not find a romantic partner.

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23 Jan 2013, 6:38 am

Jono wrote:

hyperlexian wrote:

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i don't think i mentioned abstinence,

Asexuality as opposed to abstinence? Just a play on words.

Entitled or not, that is still a sh***y situation to be in. Not because of the lack of sex but because of the loneliness, since it also implies that they could not find a romantic partner.

what makes you think that they want one? maybe they do, and maybe they don't. maybe they already have one. there are many couples that go years or decades without having sex, for various reasons. sometimes they are fine with that. it helps to think outside the model of what you want right now, and instead imagine the real spectrum of human existence at at age 70, for example.

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