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Is organised religion a general enemy of humanity?
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08 Feb 2013, 4:17 am

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It would be more accurate to say that there is no way for God to be caring about creatures whom he allows to suffer and die.



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08 Feb 2013, 4:29 am

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It would be more accurate to say that there is no way for God to be caring about creatures whom he allows to suffer and die.
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08 Feb 2013, 10:21 am

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It would be more accurate to say that there is no way for God to be caring about creatures whom he allows to suffer and die.


What if the suffering is temporary? I don't see why God is obligated to make everyone immortal. It may not be within his power to do that anyway.



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08 Feb 2013, 10:26 am

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What if the suffering is temporary? I don't see why God is obligated to make everyone immortal. It may not be within his power to do that anyway.

Funny that God can do some awful things but can't do other things. He doesn't stop people being killed because of their sexuality, or because of their religion, or because of their gender, or because some people are simply psychopathic scumbags.



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08 Feb 2013, 10:38 am

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What if the suffering is temporary? I don't see why God is obligated to make everyone immortal. It may not be within his power to do that anyway.


Then why worship him? If there is a god who is capable of creating such a complex universe with such complex organisms and ecosystems, why isn't he capable of creating a world in which everybody is truly happy, constantly, without geting tired of that hapiness? It's obvious that if he can do the first things I mentioned, he can make the last one. However he chose not to do it? Does that make us lab rats for his own sadistic amusement? I prefer to give him the finger in the improbable scenario of him existing than worshiping such a sick old man.



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08 Feb 2013, 11:07 am

When people are still being burned alive by Christians, it is safe to say that religion is a threat to humanity.

Tequila started a thread on a recent "witch-burning" in Papua New Guinea HERE.



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08 Feb 2013, 11:11 am

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When people are still being burned alive by Christians, it is safe to say that religion is a threat to humanity.

Tequila started a thread on a recent "witch-burning" in Papua New Guinea HERE.


It's nice to be able to prove to Christians that Christianity isn't tea at the Ritz and pretty little bows everywhere in the world. In some corners of the world, it's as barbaric as ever.



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08 Feb 2013, 11:26 am

Tequila wrote:
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When people are still being burned alive by Christians, it is safe to say that religion is a threat to humanity. Tequila started a thread on a recent "witch-burning" in Papua New Guinea HERE.
It's nice to be able to prove to Christians that Christianity isn't tea at the Ritz and pretty little bows everywhere in the world. In some corners of the world, it's as barbaric as ever.

While we may present all available proof of claim, there is no reason to expect that any "True" Christian will compromise their confirmation bias.



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08 Feb 2013, 11:49 am

Tequila wrote:
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What if the suffering is temporary? I don't see why God is obligated to make everyone immortal. It may not be within his power to do that anyway.

Funny that God can do some awful things but can't do other things. He doesn't stop people being killed because of their sexuality, or because of their religion, or because of their gender, or because some people are simply psychopathic scumbags.


God didn't create a terrestrial day care center. He created beings with the ability to accept or reject him, and a consequence of that is the ability to abuse that freedom. God can't be responsible for us when we have that ability ourselves. It is incumbent on humans to identify people who wantonly kill over some arbitrary characteristic and detain them. This world is our fiefdom and our responsibility; God's will is rarely done on earth.

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Then why worship him? If there is a god who is capable of creating such a complex universe with such complex organisms and ecosystems, why isn't he capable of creating a world in which everybody is truly happy, constantly, without geting tired of that hapiness? It's obvious that if he can do the first things I mentioned, he can make the last one. However he chose not to do it? Does that make us lab rats for his own sadistic amusement? I prefer to give him the finger in the improbable scenario of him existing than worshiping such a sick old man.


God has created such a world called Heaven. The suffering we endure in this life is temporary. I won't pretend to know what the purpose of it all is, but we can alleviate it. Eventually it will completely alleviated.



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08 Feb 2013, 11:51 am

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When people are still being burned alive by Christians, it is safe to say that religion is a threat to humanity. Tequila started a thread on a recent "witch-burning" in Papua New Guinea HERE.
It's nice to be able to prove to Christians that Christianity isn't tea at the Ritz and pretty little bows everywhere in the world. In some corners of the world, it's as barbaric as ever.

While we may present all available proof of claim, there is no reason to expect that any "True" Christian will compromise their confirmation bias.


It's an irrelevant issue. Christianity doesn't prescribe the burning of witches.



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08 Feb 2013, 12:07 pm

Fnord wrote:
When people are still being burned alive by Christians, it is safe to say that religion is a threat to humanity.

Tequila started a thread on a recent "witch-burning" in Papua New Guinea HERE.


Religion doesn't burn those people, other people do.


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08 Feb 2013, 12:26 pm

Really interesting post. The replies are stunning in their naivete.

But, everyone is allowed an opinion...


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08 Feb 2013, 3:05 pm

Telekon wrote:
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Then why worship him? If there is a god who is capable of creating such a complex universe with such complex organisms and ecosystems, why isn't he capable of creating a world in which everybody is truly happy, constantly, without geting tired of that hapiness? It's obvious that if he can do the first things I mentioned, he can make the last one. However he chose not to do it? Does that make us lab rats for his own sadistic amusement? I prefer to give him the finger in the improbable scenario of him existing than worshiping such a sick old man.


God has created such a world called Heaven. The suffering we endure in this life is temporary. I won't pretend to know what the purpose of it all is, but we can alleviate it. Eventually it will completely alleviated.


Then what is hell for? To viciously torture in all kinds of ways for eternety, those who don't believe in a god who proposefuly created a world with all clues pointing against his existence? That is indeed a sick, disgusting being I would never worship.

On the free will thing: if god is all knowing and created us, he already knew in what way we would choose each and every choice we make. He then blaims us for what was his creation and tortures (some of) us for eternety. That is indeed a sick, disgusting being I would never worship.



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08 Feb 2013, 3:15 pm

Jaden wrote:
Fnord wrote:
When people are still being burned alive by Christians, it is safe to say that religion is a threat to humanity.

Tequila started a thread on a recent "witch-burning" in Papua New Guinea HERE.


Religion doesn't burn those people, other people do.


Those "other people" are persons who are motivated by their religious doctrines. Religion is, by and large, a collection of memes, some of the harmful in that that lead to bad ideas which in term produce bad actions. The religion I was brought up in, Juadaism, has one horrible meme: The meme of The Chosen People. Not only does it lead to unjust actions, but other people can pick it up and turn it against those who originated it. For example the Nazis: their version was The Super Race which implied other races were inferior and could be enslaved or even disposed of. It was a kind of strange "justice" that led to Jews being killed on the pretext that some Chosen People, i.e. the Super Duper Aryan Race, had the right, nay the duty, to dispose of them.

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08 Feb 2013, 3:37 pm

Telekon wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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When people are still being burned alive by Christians, it is safe to say that religion is a threat to humanity. Tequila started a thread on a recent "witch-burning" in Papua New Guinea HERE.
It's nice to be able to prove to Christians that Christianity isn't tea at the Ritz and pretty little bows everywhere in the world. In some corners of the world, it's as barbaric as ever.

While we may present all available proof of claim, there is no reason to expect that any "True" Christian will compromise their confirmation bias.


It's an irrelevant issue. Christianity doesn't prescribe the burning of witches.


Yep the people from the Spanish Inquisition who participated in witch-burnings are likely roasting in hell.(if hell even exists)



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08 Feb 2013, 3:40 pm

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It's an irrelevant issue. Christianity doesn't prescribe the burning of witches.


Not so. The misinterpretation of: "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live" (Ex: 22:18) was used to justify the hanging and burning of women accused of witchcraft.

The Gentiles got it all wrong.

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