It's stupid when feminists say that porn is misogynistic

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Yeah, the first comment was too absolute, I'll admit to that.

Anything else?

Still, now that I think about it, it wasn't that dogmatic. I did say "truer" instead of "true" and I never said the YouTube video was on the same level as a study, just that it's a video that exposes the abuse given by the guy behind the camera to the porn star. An example, not a study, but it's still good enough.

I can tell you what's on it if you like. I think you'll be almost disappointed, because it's only 'the usual' on here. Most of it's culled from xHamster.

God, you sound like a religious zealot at times. If you don't like sex or porn, or anything of that nature, that's absolutely fine. I won't judge you for that. Lots and lots of people don't like porn.

You may want to research societies where porn is not legally available and where you can be punished for watching it (it's massively, massively in demand - even more than in Western countries), where men are hermetically sealed off from women, and women are around their relatives all the time. Homosexual and lesbian relationships are rampant in these societies for a reason, sexual assault rates are through the roof but are never reported, incest is similarly very common too, and the sexual abuse of foreign maids and the like is widely accepted. Sexual desires must still find a way to be satisfied - people are still human.

When you mentioned the niqabis in another thread and you said that women's rights were being pushed back - absolutely. A massive part of that is sexual repression.



That definitely seems to hold true for both genders for a lot of porn. It's work, they have to stuff themselves full of drugs (at least Viagra, but a hell of a lot of them are on all kinds of other recreational drugs) to perform. A lot of the stars seem to be on something as well. I find mainstream U.S. porn really quite ugly, so I don't watch it.

Does 'the patriarchy' count as a conspiracy theory?

I don't even understand the point of the patriarchy remark. I actually reject modern feminism. Whatever.

I thought the long delay in your response was due to you frantically deleting stuff

I don't like porn but I never said I don't like sex - I want the real thing though and don't obsess about it

Since when was not liking porn linked to my being religious either? - a person can dislike it in and of itself, regardless of whether they are religious

When I used to attend Sunday School no mention was ever made of porn. Ouija boards and gay relationships yes but not porn.
So I've made my own mind up on porn, it's not linked to my religion.

This argument about societies where porn is banned being horrific for women yet ones where porn is allowed being a paradise for women doesn't hold true either as women still get treated pretty appallingly in Western society as well. How many men have killed their partners and children lately? How many rapes never even get to court? How long were those girls being abused by those child sex abuse rings because no one gave a toss about them? So to make out we have it infinitely better here is a false argument. Yes it's better than somewhere like Pakistan or Iran but progress still has a long way to go! The porn isn't the cause of the progress either, it's just a sign of a permissive society; one that's gone too far the other way in terms of permissiveness in my opinion. We've come full circle with porn showing women being hurt and humiliated - it must be some kind of backlash against women gaining rights.

lol, You mean "the usual" porn that people who view it often lie about and try to conceal the fact that they look at it IRL regardless of it being completely legal. But then they casually discuss it on anonymous internet forums to defend their dumb porn habit.

Yes it's funny that

People who go on about others being prudish and censorious censor themselves when having small talk with others ie it becomes a dirty secret. If it was all so ok and wonderful why aren't they shouting it from the rooftops? So they are still under the cosh of societal attitudes no matter what they say.

Did you watch the video?

As for "looking more genuine", you have no idea what is happening behind the scenes. It's amateur. Plus, many of these amateur performers are making money through ads on their websites or are selling their content independently. Now, I don't think there is anything wrong with that, but you have to admit that there is more room for nefarious things to happen in a amateur production. In the professional porn industry, they have way more strict rules and guidelines to follow.

You say that the industry routinely abuses the performers. Mind telling me how?

Also, it's not up to you if people decide to sell sex. That's the point of sex work - to sell it. That's like saying that art should never be sold because you do it for fun. Like, seriously? It's not your business what people do with their bodies.

Almost missed this one.

This term wasn't invented by the authors of the study. Last time I checked, the "damaged goods" claim is in fact derived from the work of everyone's favorite anti-porn feminist, Catharine MacKinnon, based on her following statement from 1993:

"Empirically, all pornography is made under conditions of inequality based on sex, overwhelmingly by poor, desperate, homeless, pimped women who were sexually abused as children."

I wonder if porn actresses would prefer this label to "damaged goods".

(Captain Obvious Clarification: MacKinnon's statement is BS. But since this is a thread where people readily claim that porn actresses are mentally ill (ranging from the elusive "majority of female porn stars are messed up in a kind of way" to the specific "Antisocial Personality Disorder/ASPD", this might not be obvious...)

Yep most of the people in this thread defending porn probably act completely different on the subject IRL, and imply that people who view it regularly are "pervs" or whatever. That's a bit unfair to people that really don't view porn how people that look at it usually pretend to be the same as ones that don't at least in IRL.

I guess that way "they get to be perverts, without being perverts". That sure works out perfectly for them doesn't it? lol

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The crux of the matter is, if it could be proved that porn did mainly involve women who had been abused, would this make people stop watching it? I seriously doubt it.

People enjoy watching executions so I hardly think they care what the backstory is to a porn actor/actresses life - I wish people would just be more honest about this

I'll watch it later and tell you what I think.

It's true that I have no idea what's happening behind the scenes, but you don't have ex-amatuer actors (from the Western world, anyway) talking about the trauma they've endured and campaigning against porn.

If you want to know how the industry routinely abuses performers, listen to the people who've exited the industry. I have no vested interest in believing that they're making it all up, unlike people still in the industry. EDIT: unless they're Shelley Lubben who probably made quite a lot up.

I never said I wanted to outlaw the porn industr. I was just saying what my attitude to sex was and why I'm inclined to boycott people who try to make serious money out of it. I wasn't telling anyone else what to do, just explaining my own opinion.

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It's weird as we're lead to believe by the porn-watchers that watching porn is a normal, mainstream thing to do, so why don't people talk about it in public?

Why don't they discuss it with their parents over Sunday lunch?

People are ashamed of watching it while at the same time making out it's fine

It's the taboo aspect of it that makes people like it

Also, the associations of watching porn are that it's for people who can't find partners and also the idea of exactly what type of porn are they watching, hence it has deviant associations

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Why don't you actually ask us instead?

I don't think people - men or women - who view porn in real life are perverts. I think many people do it who have needs that cannot be fulfilled by their present circumstances alone, or do it for any number of other reasons. Some people are just like that. Even though they may have a very rich and varied sex life (perhaps even to the point of actually producing porn), they may still use porn anyway.

I wouldn't want to have a in-depth conversation about my porn viewing habits with other people (because it's none of their business - much like my sex life, my alcohol use or my medical records are none of theirs either) but, if I was asked, I'd certainly say I watched porn and did so regularly, yes. Then I'd change the subject.

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