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They ought to remember what happened to the rich when they became too dismissive of the suffering of the poor during the French and Russian revolutions.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

the only thing one learns from history, is that one does not learn from history.

Blasphemy! I'm a history buff!

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

except for you, that is

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Here is something I may support: universe subsidized pot for everyone! Unless you want the pharmaceutical co.s to benefit . To me, subsidized pot would be the best form of universial health care XD .

i'd rather have the water supply stocked up with Viagra.

Until people understand that Obamacare/ACA is not Universal Health Care, the debate is pointless.

What you want is NOT what you are going to get.

If anyone thinks the ACA is a good thing, I would challenge them to prove that they've read all of it and understand what comes in it...good and bad.

It's not about health care...it never was.

Just as the PATRIOT Act wasn't about making America safer from terrorists.

Speaking of history:

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/obamaca ... 4B11241122

I have been through the entire thing. The underlying principles behind each aspect are sound, but it does have plenty of loopholes for big business (just like every single piece of legislation passed in the past century).

someone on my facebook wall made the following very good point today:

"I seriously don't understand why the Americans are so freaked by socialised medicine. Few of them would be happy to see the Interstate System privatised and turned into a 100% toll operation.

I wait for the tea party, in the interests of ideological consistency, to adopt the slogan, "Save freedom! Privatise America's roads!"

To some extent, that's an apples to oranges comparison.

There's a good PBS documentary somewhere on the bridge between Oakland and San Francisco. It shows how much things have changed for the worse in America.

When Eisenhower did the interstate system, yes, it was a massive government spending program, but it wasn't the boondoggle that the ACA and other laws passed today are.

When the first bridge between Oakland and San Francisco was built, one man was given full authority to do whatever it took to build it. It was done very quickly, very well, and few to no hiccups along the way. Today, when they wanted to rebuild/replace the aging structure, by the time the politicos, special interest groups, committees, lawmakers, etc. got done, they spent 10X or more of what it should have cost and took over a decade to complete it from the time they project was begun.

If the ACA was purely about health care, it would be 1/1,000th of this size in pages. It wouldn't be getting the IRS involved. A person of common intelligence could actually sit down and read it. You wouldn't have brain-dead politicos like Nancy Pelosi saying, "We have to pass it before we can find out what's in it."

According to the Blair-Rockefeller poll:
http://www.blairrockefellerpoll.uark.edu/5295.php

The Tea Party is hell bent on making sure no lazy, dirty, undeserving poor people get access to healthcare... even if it means crashing the entire country.

Hell, in this respect, China is more capitalist than us! They are looking to create toll roads in order to ease congestion in large cities. Chile has privatized many roads, and they are the best in the world.

I can't believe the hypocrisy the right has demonstrated in this matter regarding loopholes for big business, and job loss in connection to the ACA. It's been the Republicans who wrote the road map for tax break and loopholes for big business, and have championed outsourcing American jobs. Now, we're supposed to believe they suddenly are concerned about these things for our behalf?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

for the working class, it is still better than the big fat nothing which came before.