Abortion

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That's a good point, but I find it awfully hard to sympathize for the pro-life side when a panicked teenager can run into a pharmacy and be denied morning after pills by some conservative Catholic hag.

I'm going to start off by saying that everyone is entitled to their opinion on this, and I'm not looking to spark another debate of 'is it right, or isn't it'. Please read all the way through

Personally, I don't believe abortion should be legal for just any idiot that can't buy a condom or keep their legs shut. There are some instances where I do believe it SHOULD be legal, without question... such as in cases of rape, incest or a threat to the mother's health.

The 'panicked teenager' in the previous post, for example:

Situation 1: Said teenager had sex on a whim, didn't prepare and got pregnant. Abortion? No, you should have thought about it a bit more thoroughly.

Situation 2: Said teenager had sex, used protection and the condom broke. Abortion? Still no, sorry. NOTHING is failsafe, my sister had my niece while on birth control pills. If you're going to have sex, you have to realise that something JUST MIGHT happen from it.

There are other situations involved in that, I'm sure, but the point is that if you take a risk, it might come back to bite you.

Now... these are just MY opinions and the only person bound by them is me. I consider myself pro-choice, because I don't try to force anyone else to abide by my beliefs. I have a very good friend who had an abortion because she found out she was pregnant right before she was gearing up to leave her abusive husband. Do I think she was wrong? Nope. It was her decision, her body, and HER beliefs that she had to think about, not mine.

This just seems to be one of those topics that no one really agrees on, because everyone sees it from a different viewpoint. To each their own.

You are immature, it is not about religion so much as the deciding battle for this is within secularism. Anyone who is truely pro-evolution is pro-life.

Yeh. Like I've said. Politically, I'm pro-choice. If I think x is wrong, that doesn't automatically = it is wrong. Personally, pro-life.

anyone who is truly pro-evolution is pro choice. we've evolved the most by our brains and our intellect to rise above nature and our surroundings. controlling our breeding habits through various means is yet another evolution of that and another detachment from the animalistic side.


and yes it has to do with religion but that's just part of it. it has more to do with people in power wanting to have control over people's sexual habits. it's something very common throughout history that a way of flexing power on a society is through controlling how and when and why society has sex. this has extended to the entire reproductive process. it's somewhat about religion because they are trying to remain relevant and as such, they fight very much to keep control over the reproductive process as do the socially conservatives (the traditionalists...old money....people who are about to be "were in power") who seek to keep power and reign over society.



and no, it has nothing to do with the fetus, it's not alive until out of the womb by birth or c-section. a pregnant woman gets killed? single homocide, not double. a man forcibly removes a pregnant woman's fetus? sexual assault and battery.

it's pretty simple. no arguments about what organs are formed at what week. no discussion of souls or anything. life is at birth. pretty simple...and the sooner that is standardized, the sooner the stigma with abortion can be erased and all the garbage programming from society can be erased.

Exodus 21:12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.

Exodus 21:22 "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.

(New International Version)

So, killing a man is punishable by death, causing a pregnant woman to miscarry is punishable by a fine. Looks to me like the Bible does not equate an unborn fetus with a living person.

you're talking about collateral damage versus malicious intent. different story.

between pro choice and don't care

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Merle

If you read my posts, you'll see I have no intent of forcing my beliefs on others. I just want to force them to listen to them.

My view on abortion, simply put, is this:

If you are against abortion, don't have one.

First of all, I think it's safe to call it a religious issue when one of the biggest opponents (if not the biggest) of abortion and contraception is the Catholic church. And secondly... now the reason I have that particular section of your reply quoted is because, honestly, what the heck does that even mean. What does evolution have to do with the life/choice debate? It's not as if the human race runs the risk of going extinct if a few people have abortions, not when people are popping out babies faster than we can feed 'em.

Hm! Very interesting, Xenon. Exodus 21:12 and 21:22, eh? I'll have to remember that.

So if you are against murder don't kill anyone?

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i'm pretty sure that we can spare a few abortions considering that our birth rate exceeds our death rate.

at least it's not as bad as iraq that has roughly a 5.8:1 birth to death ratio...which can actually also be blamed on the war (the psychology of war and massive disasters leads to large birth rates.)

we have only 1.7:1 birth to death ratio....nearly equilibrium....i look forward to hitting that median point or deaths exceeding births (due to a reduction in breeding...not an increase of death).

No one has yet convinced me that abortion is murder.

Ska, I dont think you understand the issue of destroy a possible contribution to the gene pool. And destroying a lifeform when it is no longer convient for you is very animalistic. Thats what the spartans, and the vikings did. The children werent convient and they got rid of them. AIt is truely self-centered to get rid of another human just to improve your quality of life. Infact it is criminal, if you did it to a human that was born.