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24 Jul 2015, 10:30 am

Yes, so unfair and unjustified... I don't get on WP often and am glad I saw this... My 19 yr old daughter and I(both aspies) have recently discovered the Latin Mass. We are Catholic, converts from Protestantism and have had questions about the preparation of the Blessed Sacrament during Novus Ordo, the new, contemporary Mass of Vatican II. There is hardly a comparison. The Latin- Tridentine Rite Mass is an experience I would recommend every Catholic and non alike to experience and not only attend but grab the booklet they offer at the door to follow along to better understand. The reverence is amazing. Truly amazing. There is no chatting nor yawning throughout the sacrifice. Research the faith just FYI. Pray, hope, and don't worry. God has it all in control... Always has... Always will. Man's free will that He gave us is what's the problem. The Church has been under fire since the Upper Room. She will prevail. Hope, pray, and don't worry. :heart: God bless



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24 Jul 2015, 3:50 pm

nerdygirl wrote:
It is true that a belief in God brings a sense of meaning.

But, explain to me how atheists can consistently live as if there is no meaning in life.


Simple: you decide for yourself what you want out of life and pursue it. You don't need any supernatural beings to do it for you.


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24 Jul 2015, 4:16 pm

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But, explain to me how atheists can consistently live as if there is no meaning in life.
there isn't any meaning to life except those meanings which you create for yourself. whether this is via a bronze-age allegory or just your own brain is up to you.



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25 Jul 2015, 6:40 am

Yes, Spiderpig and Fugu, that is what I gather...

BUT, what happens when what you want and desire to pursue and the meaning you give to something creates conflict with what another wants, desires to pursue, and gives meaning to?



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25 Jul 2015, 7:10 am

Either someone yilds or there's a fight to the death, just like with religion.


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26 Jul 2015, 7:55 pm

nerdygirl wrote:

It is true that a belief in God brings a sense of meaning.

But, explain to me how atheists can consistently live as if there is no meaning in life.


<rub hands together>

I infer by your comment that your premise *may be* that a belief in god is the default in this life system...
Someone once told me that Christians ask "Why"...
And Buddhists ask "why not..."
Had I been brought up as an atheist when I was a child, I would have probably thought that atheism was the natural order of things...

As a hard core introverted atheist, here are some of my parameters influencing continued existence:

* Evolution has created survival instincts imbedded via genetic coding...
* Under normal/usual circumstances, it is easier to survive than not to survive...

* All organisms are driven by parameters created by it's genetic coding...
* The human psyche isn't dependent on only one particular aspect for the overall functioning of the "entity"...
* Metaphysical musing doesn't fill the stomach, for example...

* There are a number of areas that we find psychologically satisfying:
* "Religionality" <sic>...
* Spirituality...
* Sexuality...
* Intellectuality...

For me personally, it seemed that I had a "one or the other choice"...
I could continue to embrace religion (via faith), something that wasn't working for me (it failed me badly)...
Or I could embrace reason/logic to satisfy my inner cravings for the quest to understand: "life, the universe and everything..."
Believe me, for *me* personally, the satisfaction gained from concept/fact/data building would be, in all probability, as great as your desire for spirituality...



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26 Jul 2015, 8:06 pm

oops...



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26 Jul 2015, 8:21 pm

nerdygirl wrote:
Yes, Spiderpig and Fugu, that is what I gather...

BUT, what happens when what you want and desire to pursue and the meaning you give to something creates conflict with what another wants, desires to pursue, and gives meaning to?


Agree to disagree?
Are you married?
Are you referring to your spouse?

Do you have children?
Are you referring to your rug rats? :mrgreen:

It may be a situation where there will always be a hole in the relationship regarding your respective philosophies...
Nothing in this god forsaken world :mrgreen: is perfect...
Part of the madness is trying to make it so...<shrug>

There can still be a fulfilling relationship between two people with a differing life perspective...
Depends on where the emphasis of the relationship is...
However, in *some* situations, the differences do cause people to drift apart...

Have you considered counseling?
Assuming I'm on the same page/wavelength...