21 Feb 2021, 3:28 am
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The difference between Stalin, Genghis Khan and Hitler is only one of them murdered people based on their race and only one of them murdered equal numbers women and children and babies to men.
Damn, are you misinformed.
You may have a good knowledge base elsewhere, but history isn't one of your strengths.
Stalin murdered millions of men, women and children via man-made famines.
Genghis Khan murdered entire cities when they didn't surrender.
Dude.
Stalin's famines weren't systematic like concentration camps that gassed babies. But I take you point it's probably mute to the victims. You might remember the Brits caused millions of Bengalis to die of famine as well.
The Ottoman Turks murdered a million Armenians and Rwandan Hutus did a number of the Tutsis.
21 Feb 2021, 3:31 am
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21 Feb 2021, 3:42 am
21 Feb 2021, 3:46 am
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
The difference between Stalin, Genghis Khan and Hitler is only one of them murdered people based on their race and only one of them murdered equal numbers women and children and babies to men.
Damn, are you misinformed.
You may have a good knowledge base elsewhere, but history isn't one of your strengths.
Stalin murdered millions of men, women and children via man-made famines.
Genghis Khan murdered entire cities when they didn't surrender.
Dude.
Stalin's famines weren't systematic like concentration camps that gassed babies. But I take you point it's probably mute to the victims. You might remember the Brits caused millions of Bengalis to die of famine as well.
The Ottoman Turks murdered a million Armenians and Rwandan Hutus did a number of the Tutsis.
It was premeditated murder, a la the Armenian Genocide!
Quote:
Starvation is widely recognized as a weapon of extreme mass violence, a gross violation of human rights, and a crime in international criminal law, yet forced starvation is still practiced today.
Damn!
Hit the history books and come back in 6 month's time!
21 Feb 2021, 3:51 am
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
My understanding is that Hitler always intended to attack Russia for 'Lebensraum'.
Lebensraum is one thing but intending to clear multi-millions from their land into gas ovens for the sake of racial purity is pretty sick.
I think your *reasoning* is pretty sick.
So, you are trying to give the impression I am trying to justify what happened in the Holocaust?
Dude.
Seriously, are you doing that?
Now, on the flip side, are *you* being a stalin apologist?
Two can play that game.
21 Feb 2021, 3:53 am
auntblabby wrote:
what is sicker is that despite all the evidence, support for such evil is only growing among the populace.
Agreed.
Humanity is an abomination, yes.
No arguments from me.
21 Feb 2021, 4:02 am
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
My understanding is that Hitler always intended to attack Russia for 'Lebensraum'.
Lebensraum is one thing but intending to clear multi-millions from their land into gas ovens for the sake of racial purity is pretty sick.
I think your *reasoning* is pretty sick.
So, you are trying to give the impression I am trying to justify what happened in the Holocaust?
Dude.
Seriously, are you doing that?
Now, on the flip side, are *you* being a stalin apologist?
Two can play that game.
No I am not a Stalinist apologist. I'm taking the law of averages that somebody would have a better chance surviving Stalin's Soviet empire Vs Hitler's empire. Especially if you were non-German. Didn't Hitler sterilise Germans who had one parent who was black? I personally would be more scared to live in Nazi Germany if I wasn't a member of the chosen race.
21 Feb 2021, 6:40 am
21 Feb 2021, 7:19 am
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
No I'd cut off his hands and feet and dye his hair ginger
21 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm
21 Feb 2021, 3:35 pm
babybird wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
No I'd cut off his hands and feet and dye his hair ginger
21 Feb 2021, 5:33 pm
babybird wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Let's say you were sent back in time to his bedroom in Austria when Hitler was still a baby, would you kill baby Hitler as an attempt to prevent the WWII and Holocaust from happening?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
You just find yourself in front of the baby him, with a gun in your hand, shoot or not shoot?
No I'd cut off his hands and feet and dye his hair ginger
That last thing is going to far!
21 Feb 2021, 5:46 pm
21 Feb 2021, 7:54 pm
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
Pepe wrote:
My understanding is that Hitler always intended to attack Russia for 'Lebensraum'.
Lebensraum is one thing but intending to clear multi-millions from their land into gas ovens for the sake of racial purity is pretty sick.
I think your *reasoning* is pretty sick.
So, you are trying to give the impression I am trying to justify what happened in the Holocaust?
Dude.
Seriously, are you doing that?
Now, on the flip side, are *you* being a stalin apologist?
Two can play that game.
No I am not a Stalinist apologist. I'm taking the law of averages that somebody would have a better chance surviving Stalin's Soviet empire Vs Hitler's empire. Especially if you were non-German. Didn't Hitler sterilise Germans who had one parent who was black? I personally would be more scared to live in Nazi Germany if I wasn't a member of the chosen race.
I might turn this into a mantra of mine
:"Hitler murdered millions.
Stalin murdered more.
Both were naughty people."
21 Feb 2021, 7:57 pm
cyberdad wrote:
magz wrote:
cyberdad wrote:
No I am not a Stalinist apologist. I'm taking the law of averages that somebody would have a better chance surviving Stalin's Soviet empire Vs Hitler's empire. Especially if you were non-German. Didn't Hitler sterilise Germans who had one parent who was black? I personally would be more scared to live in Nazi Germany if I wasn't a member of the chosen race.
If you were Jewish, Stalin's empire was easier to survive.
If you were higher class, Hitler's empire was easier to survive.
Both targeted Polish educated class.
In Hitler's empire, you got higher chance to get shot or gassed.
In Stalin's empire, you got higher chance to starve.
Here, we had both and the comparison is... screw it. Let's learn from this history to never repeat it.
I guess in Australian schools we learned more about WWII and Hitler/Japan and Tojo than about Stalin. There was and still is a lot of anti-Japanese sentiment in Australia because of the treatment of Australian POWs.
Why do you think I keep on bring up that mutha stalin?
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