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14 Dec 2015, 4:22 pm

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A Mosque in California was just recently firebombed. No one can tell me that this terrorism against Muslim Americans isn't happening because of the hate storm Trump has been stirring up to promote his own political ambitions.


Maybe the fact that we have been at war with Muslims for decades has something to do with it?

From the news I remember ....

Before evil ISIS
there was evil "AL Queda" trying to kill Americans
before evil "AL Queda", there there was evil "Taliban" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Taliban", there was evil "Bin Laden" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before evil "Bin Laden" and his crew, there was the evil "Sadam Hussein" trying to kill Americans
before evil "Sadam Hussein" there was the evil "Yasser Arafat" and his crew trying to kill Americans
before "Yasser Arafat" and his crew, there was the dreaded evil "Ayatollah khomeini" trying to kill Americans

Any wonder why Americans hate Muslims?

How more millions of Muslims we will kill before it stops?


If I am not mistaking didn't at least a lot of those people listed also kill quite a few middle eastern people? Its not only Americans specifically that such people have targeted. Also I thought the war was supposedly against terrorism, now its against all muslims in general? Or rather you feel it ought to be.

Also what millions of muslims have we killed? And you really think just killing tons and tons of Muslims is going to stop any violence? Of course it would be stupid to specifically target extremists, just killing tons of mulims will totally rid the world of extremism...Not.


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14 Dec 2015, 4:26 pm

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Blaming Muslims who are not our enemies - particularly those who are our fellow Americans - certainly isn't going to stop it.
Incidentally, Saddam Hussein, and even the Taliban, were our allies before they were our enemies. Our government used to supply them with weapons and money till they weren't our friends anymore.

So when the bad ones bomb and kill we just shrug our shoulders ? At what point do you do something like Trump is proposing to screen people who could be terrorists?


Yes screening:

'are you a muslim?'
'yes'....
'well than you're a terrorist suspect'...doesn't seem like a very good screening method, any extremist or terrorist who isn't a Muslim would slip through very easily for one.


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14 Dec 2015, 4:32 pm

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Your facts are not relevant to the formation of attitudes in Americans.

At least here we are in total agreement.

Much of US public opinion appears to follow a very strict fact-free diet.

Sadly enough, that's the case with too many of my countrymen and women.

Well, if it's any consolation... Italy is slightly worse than the US: ... and Silvio Berlusconi was rather... "trumpy", wasn't he?

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Anyway, in order to re-rail the thread from my own de-railing, the above study actually had an interesting question, as it asked the respondents to estimate the percentage of Muslims in their respective countries.

Well, this is how people answered:

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There are several caveats to the study... There are quite a lot of "I don't know" answers, and people were asked to give answers in interval of 10 percentage points, and not raw percentages... This doesn't explain the massive overestimation, though, as the Muslim population percentage is below 10 percent in all of the above countries...

Who's more wrong is a matter of perspective. Obviously, residents in France and Belgium miss the mark by the highest numerical score - more than 20 percentage points. On the other hand, the US estimate of the Muslim percentage is fifteen times higher than the actual percentage, only surpassed by Hungary.

Sources:
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpubl ... wrong.aspx
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/ ... lation.pdf (on how the index was calculated)
https://www.ipsos-mori.com/Assets/Docs/ ... ources.pdf
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... everything

Anyway, this may partly explain the meteoric rise of Trump in the polls...


Interesting.

Both American Blacks, and American Whites, overestimate how many Blacks are in America.
In polls respondents of both races on average estimate that America is about 25 percent Black when Blacks only actually make up about 12 percent of our population.

Your thing explains why Michelle Bachman was so worried that America was on the verge of falling into "Sharia Law". Like most Americans she had a wildly inflated idea how many Muslim voters America has.



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14 Dec 2015, 4:40 pm

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Is this how the Left wins an election? (Intended as a joke my ass. This is how the Left really thinks - dirty)

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29237 ... suggesting


So you take one isolated statement that went too far by someone on the left....and decide that is how the entire left 'really' thinks. Well IDK I think trump is probably the worst thing that could happen to this country right now, and certainly would consider myself of the left but I certainly would not call for all trump supporters to be shot, though granted he's got some supporters that would have no problem seeing that done to certain groups.

I cannot speak for all on the left but I am sure I am not the only one who'd refuse to stand behind that comment.

A state representative here on the right is potentially being recalled for a statement that justifies the planned parenthood shooting, in an attempt to further her fundamentalist agenda....I guess that is how the right 'really' thinks, they'd all l stand behind her right?

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/156450/gop-lawmaker-planned-parenthood-is-the-real-culprit-in-the-shooting


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14 Dec 2015, 5:16 pm

A large part of the US media have been talking up the threat from Islamic terrorism for years so as to justify various wars in the Middle East. Trump just looked at this and made the obvious conclusion, that is: if Islamic terrorism is such a threat to Americans, then why not just prevent Muslims from migrating to the US? But then the media as one went nuts. Strange that they consider it worse to keep foreigners out of America than for Americans to go over to their countries and drop bombs on them, isn't it? It almost makes you wonder about the media, doesn't it? No?



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14 Dec 2015, 5:25 pm

Trump's statement actually mirrors the extremist thinking of the terrorists,pigeonholing everyone simply by their religion or race and plays into their hands,it's the way they want us to think.
It's the equivalent of the UK wanting to ban all Irish people during the IRA bombings,or even to ban all Americans
because of those who helped to fund the IRA.
Of course everyone has to be vigilant but the security services are doing all they can to foil terrorist plots,without
sinking to the extremists' level of thinking.


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14 Dec 2015, 5:41 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
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Is this how the Left wins an election? (Intended as a joke my ass. This is how the Left really thinks - dirty)

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29237 ... suggesting


So you take one isolated statement that went too far by someone on the left....and decide that is how the entire left 'really' thinks. Well IDK I think trump is probably the worst thing that could happen to this country right now, and certainly would consider myself of the left but I certainly would not call for all trump supporters to be shot, though granted he's got some supporters that would have no problem seeing that done to certain groups.

I cannot speak for all on the left but I am sure I am not the only one who'd refuse to stand behind that comment.

A state representative here on the right is potentially being recalled for a statement that justifies the planned parenthood shooting, in an attempt to further her fundamentalist agenda....I guess that is how the right 'really' thinks, they'd all l stand behind her right?

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/156450/gop-lawmaker-planned-parenthood-is-the-real-culprit-in-the-shooting


The Left is weird - this is just one example. Another example are the Unions (a top donator to the Democrats headed by Trumka) that trashed the Wisconsin State Capitol when they were protesting collective bargaining (they even used the building as a freaking toilet!) and cost the city $7.5 million in repairs, and what about the Occupy Movement? That was all Democrats living on the streets in tents, trashing property, having sex and doing drugs in front of everybody and using the street as a public sewer! Yeah, I want to be associated with those kind of people. :roll:


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14 Dec 2015, 5:53 pm

nurseangela wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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Is this how the Left wins an election? (Intended as a joke my ass. This is how the Left really thinks - dirty)

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29237 ... suggesting


So you take one isolated statement that went too far by someone on the left....and decide that is how the entire left 'really' thinks. Well IDK I think trump is probably the worst thing that could happen to this country right now, and certainly would consider myself of the left but I certainly would not call for all trump supporters to be shot, though granted he's got some supporters that would have no problem seeing that done to certain groups.

I cannot speak for all on the left but I am sure I am not the only one who'd refuse to stand behind that comment.

A state representative here on the right is potentially being recalled for a statement that justifies the planned parenthood shooting, in an attempt to further her fundamentalist agenda....I guess that is how the right 'really' thinks, they'd all l stand behind her right?

http://www.coloradoindependent.com/156450/gop-lawmaker-planned-parenthood-is-the-real-culprit-in-the-shooting


The Left is weird - this is just one example. Another example are the Unions (a top donator to the Democrats headed by Trumka) that trashed the Wisconsin State Capitol when they were protesting collective bargaining (they even used the building as a freaking toilet!) and cost the city $7.5 million in repairs, and what about the Occupy Movement? That was all Democrats living on the streets in tents, trashing property, having sex and doing drugs in front of everybody and using the street as a public sewer! Yeah, I want to be associated with those kind of people. :roll:


Alright demonize the whole left, considering the entire right is made up of saints...I suppose that is fair. I don't want to be associated with the likes of Trump however so no republican party for me.


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14 Dec 2015, 5:56 pm

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A large part of the US media have been talking up the threat from Islamic terrorism for years so as to justify various wars in the Middle East. Trump just looked at this and made the obvious conclusion, that is: if Islamic terrorism is such a threat to Americans, then why not just prevent Muslims from migrating to the US? But then the media as one went nuts. Strange that they consider it worse to keep foreigners out of America than for Americans to go over to their countries and drop bombs on them, isn't it? It almost makes you wonder about the media, doesn't it? No?

Funny thing about dropping bombs on people. Eventually, even the ones who aren't your enemy are going to want you to stop. And sometimes, after you kill enough of their also-not-your-enemy loved ones and demolished their homes & livelihood, they want revenge or at the very least to make a statement about what you've done to their lives.

Frankly, I'm amazed Trump hasn't called for putting all non-citizen Muslims in camps. Followed by the citizen Muslims, of course. And no, it does not have to have any bearing on the reality of American law for him to say it.


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14 Dec 2015, 6:03 pm

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A large part of the US media have been talking up the threat from Islamic terrorism for years so as to justify various wars in the Middle East. Trump just looked at this and made the obvious conclusion, that is: if Islamic terrorism is such a threat to Americans, then why not just prevent Muslims from migrating to the US? But then the media as one went nuts. Strange that they consider it worse to keep foreigners out of America than for Americans to go over to their countries and drop bombs on them, isn't it? It almost makes you wonder about the media, doesn't it? No?

Funny thing about dropping bombs on people. Eventually, even the ones who aren't your enemy are going to want you to stop. And sometimes, after you kill enough of their also-not-your-enemy loved ones and demolished their homes & livelihood, they want revenge or at the very least to make a statement about what you've done to their lives.

Frankly, I'm amazed Trump hasn't called for putting all non-citizen Muslims in camps. Followed by the citizen Muslims, of course. And no, it does not have to have any bearing on the reality of American law for him to say it.


What should scare all Americans is, if Trump can make all Muslims, and even American Muslims, objects of suspicion and subject to penalty of the law for that reason, then that can apply to all of us soon.


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14 Dec 2015, 8:24 pm

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A large part of the US media have been talking up the threat from Islamic terrorism for years so as to justify various wars in the Middle East. Trump just looked at this and made the obvious conclusion, that is: if Islamic terrorism is such a threat to Americans, then why not just prevent Muslims from migrating to the US? But then the media as one went nuts. Strange that they consider it worse to keep foreigners out of America than for Americans to go over to their countries and drop bombs on them, isn't it? It almost makes you wonder about the media, doesn't it? No?

Funny thing about dropping bombs on people. Eventually, even the ones who aren't your enemy are going to want you to stop. And sometimes, after you kill enough of their also-not-your-enemy loved ones and demolished their homes & livelihood, they want revenge or at the very least to make a statement about what you've done to their lives.

Frankly, I'm amazed Trump hasn't called for putting all non-citizen Muslims in camps. Followed by the citizen Muslims, of course. And no, it does not have to have any bearing on the reality of American law for him to say it.


What should scare all Americans is, if Trump can make all Muslims, and even American Muslims, objects of suspicion and subject to penalty of the law for that reason, then that can apply to all of us soon.

Except his followers, of course. Because they know they are the chosen ones by choosing him...


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14 Dec 2015, 10:05 pm

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A large part of the US media have been talking up the threat from Islamic terrorism for years so as to justify various wars in the Middle East. Trump just looked at this and made the obvious conclusion, that is: if Islamic terrorism is such a threat to Americans, then why not just prevent Muslims from migrating to the US? But then the media as one went nuts. Strange that they consider it worse to keep foreigners out of America than for Americans to go over to their countries and drop bombs on them, isn't it? It almost makes you wonder about the media, doesn't it? No?

Funny thing about dropping bombs on people. Eventually, even the ones who aren't your enemy are going to want you to stop. And sometimes, after you kill enough of their also-not-your-enemy loved ones and demolished their homes & livelihood, they want revenge or at the very least to make a statement about what you've done to their lives.

Frankly, I'm amazed Trump hasn't called for putting all non-citizen Muslims in camps. Followed by the citizen Muslims, of course. And no, it does not have to have any bearing on the reality of American law for him to say it.


What should scare all Americans is, if Trump can make all Muslims, and even American Muslims, objects of suspicion and subject to penalty of the law for that reason, then that can apply to all of us soon.

Except his followers, of course. Because they know they are the chosen ones by choosing him...


Not to bring up any comparison between Hitler and Trump, but Trump's supporters should remember how Hitler, shortly after coming to power, had purged the Brown Shirts, who had been the paramilitary wing of the Nazi party from the beginning. Those who feel chosen and safe may find that they are in fact an expendable problem.


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14 Dec 2015, 10:12 pm

I think Trump is going to melt away, like the Wicked Witch of the West.



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14 Dec 2015, 11:02 pm

"Trump hits new high in poll"
"Donald Trump has crossed the 40 percent threshold in a new national poll, giving the Republican presidential candidate the largest lead he’s held in any survey so far".
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/don ... idest-lead

All he needs is another Muslim mass killing/bombing to make it a lock.



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14 Dec 2015, 11:29 pm

Rollo wrote:
A large part of the US media have been talking up the threat from Islamic terrorism for years so as to justify various wars in the Middle East. Trump just looked at this and made the obvious conclusion, that is: if Islamic terrorism is such a threat to Americans, then why not just prevent Muslims from migrating to the US? But then the media as one went nuts. Strange that they consider it worse to keep foreigners out of America than for Americans to go over to their countries and drop bombs on them, isn't it? It almost makes you wonder about the media, doesn't it? No?

That's because most of the media is owned by the elite whom got us into this mess.



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15 Dec 2015, 12:44 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
"Trump hits new high in poll"
"Donald Trump has crossed the 40 percent threshold in a new national poll, giving the Republican presidential candidate the largest lead he’s held in any survey so far".
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/don ... idest-lead

All he needs is another Muslim mass killing/bombing to make it a lock.



Actually, Trumps' fellow butthole, Ted Cruz, might be gaining on him.


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