SJW and autism

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So:

- wants to regulate speech
- left leaning

Is there any indication that the people in iliketree's posts fit either of those, let alone both?

I do feel it isn't misused often. I could also add that it could be members of groups such as feminists (not all) that take the idea to an extreme. I would also consider it more common in devoloped countries and the middle class.

Left wing thought police. I don't know why people object so strenuously to the term, especially when an alternative word for people who take social justice advocacy too far has yet to be put forth.

Then by that logic I would be an SJW. And quite strongly for that matter.

More than that. Left wing thought police, speech police, and behavior police. Rampant on college campuses especially, and metastasizing from there to other sectors of society.

See Orwell, 1984, for early illustrations.

See also, "Red Guard":

I rather liked Vox Day's description in chapter 2 of "SJWs Always Lie", but the book also has the subtitle "Taking Down the Thought Police", which is how I've always thought of them.

I'd go with "Progressive" (emphasis on the capital) rather than "left wing", as it's the authoritarian branch of leftist thought. I think it's relatively safe to assume that your objection, like mine and others, is to the authoritarian aspect rather than the "leftness".



I also agree with this. Never has a political ideology been more appropriately labelled "Orwellian".

I think it's largely because it's often used to mean "people who take social justice advocacy anywhere at all", and those two definitions are wilfully conflated so that the "too far" people are used to discredit the "anywhere at all" people. Like so many terms, any usefulness it may have had has been lost because of overuse and imprecise use.

Take this thread for example - if you're defining "SJW" as "someone who shouts about social justice without thinking" or "someone with silly beliefs" then of course you're going to find lots of people who fit those descriptions and dislike autism. But if you define it as something like "someone who would take "intersectional" as a compliment", then you'll find an awful lot of overlap with the people who think neurodiversity is good and Autism Speaks is bad.

In the case of the black women telling black men they can't date outside their race, that's not social justice at all, it's not "so extreme SJW that it's conservative", it's just outright conservativism. People just aren't used to conservative black nationalism and presume that all pro-black voices are automatically about equality and liberty.

It's certainly used as an othering term, but I can't think of any occasions I've seen it misused thus in discussion here, hence its usefulness is limited only by what is agreed upon between us. As I suggested, Dox's definition is serviceable.



The first example is often how it manifests. I suppose you could think of them as "infantry".



We're getting into venn territory here, but that certainly wouldn't be a good definition.



I'm not sure why you've raised that specific example. Was that posted here or is it something you encountered elsewhere? The "extraracial" taboo in black American communities might be partly the result of the black pride movement, which would make it partially progressive. Interracial couples are far more common in the UK, and mixed race Brits are set to become the largest minority by 2020.

Black women might also be pressured by American standards of beauty and virility - white woman beautiful, black man potent - but I'm not sure of how substantial an effect that would have.

A social justice warrior is a person who practices social justice.

This could include feminism, intersectional feminism, black lives matter and similar.

Social justice warrior is an umbrella term covering all of the above mentioned groups.

Whereas this is a woefully nebulous definition.

Raising or lowering of taxes, and support of such, can be considered "social justice".

Correct. Social justice warriors often talk about changing the tax rate.

Well, for example, in the opening post, it is suggested that thinking that anyone can be autistic regardless of traits is a form of SJW-ism, even though on the face of it that has nothing to do with social justice or thought police. A few posts later, a user suggests that SJWs don't know that adults can have autism, and that SJWs would never date autistic people (weird, must have been imagining that). There's a few people suggesting that SJWs adopt autism self-diagnoses to feel special. Someone says that SJWs think autism is a choice. Someone cites Jenny McCarthy as a SJW. A few users say things like "some SJWs are fine but some take it too far". One user says that they think "SJW" should be used to refer to people who latch onto social causes they know nothing about and can't really help, like Kony 2012. There seems to be considerable confusion about the term.


So do you think a) too many people who would take "intersectional" as a compliment are not SJWs or b) too many SJWs wouldn't take "intersectional" are a compliment? Or both?

Personally, when I see "SJW" used pejoratively I presume the person is referring, roughly, to people who would take "intersectional" as a compliment (or who would use "cis" to refer to people unironically). Then there are the groups who are just out for their identity, particularly some radical feminist groups, where you could argue either way, but they don't really fit the traditional image.


Posted here and quoted on the previous page.

Eh, I'd think the warrior part would make it somewhat self evident that the term refers to zealots rather than just anyone who advocates for social justice, but the term does get misused a lot. Like I've said before, as someone who uses it to avoid broad brushing leftwing activists generally, it's annoying that the term has become so distorted from its original meaning.

Wasn't it an insult at first?

Exactly. It's not lost on me that my reaction to moralistic scolding from the authoritarian left is identical to my reaction as a younger man to moralistic scolding from the then ascendant socially conservative right; that they've somehow switched places is sort of mind boggling to me. I don't know how much American popular culture and the controversies surrounding it seeps through to you guys in England, but I can vividly remember the Christian Right throwing it's weight around when I was in middle and high schools, railing against Marylin Manson and gangster rap, and how startlingly similar the rhetoric was to the stuff I see these days coming out of Twitter and tumblr concerning "problematic" artists and ideas.

It's always been an insult, but the sting wasn't in what was being advocated, it was in the taking it too far part.