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23 Jan 2017, 10:54 pm

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Why am I not surprised that you're defending the men's right's movement, which is an arm of the Alt Right.



Why am I not surprised that you're using the worst argument in the world...


Those Alt Right a$$holes include men's rightsers. Breitbart gave them a platform.


More spinning and slithering around. And you wonder why you get treated the way you do.


And you should think why you're treated and regarded like you are.


I'm not concerned in the least or even take notice of how I'm treated. It's you that complains each time you get run up a tree. Want me to find examples?


Is being anal a lifelong thing, or do you have to work at it?


Another way of saying I can't find anything on Raptor but Raptor can easily find all kinds of things on me.
I might be anal about some things, which can be a good thing, but it's against the terms of use for me to tell you what I think about you. I've gotten PM's from multiple people over the years asking me what's wrong with you.


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23 Jan 2017, 10:55 pm

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Why am I not surprised that you're defending the men's right's movement, which is an arm of the Alt Right.



Why am I not surprised that you're using the worst argument in the world...


Those Alt Right a$$holes include men's rightsers. Breitbart gave them a platform.


Breitbart was correct to do so.

Dismissing the Alt Right on the basis of it encompassing some sincere white supremacists is foolish. Dismissing their grievances would be downright idiotic.


If they have legitimate gripes, they shouldn't poison said gripes with racist hate. They're the idiotic ones.


Coming from someone who recently claimed that "white men will never be a second class of citizens", that has about as much weight as aerogel. And no, I don't accept the technicality of you couching it as a collectivist statement.

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You have to explain that one to me.


Evidently you missed my previous post. It's understandable considering this thread is quite busy.

Edit: never mind, you just quoted it.



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23 Jan 2017, 10:56 pm

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Way too many posts on this thread are filling up my email box. You people are seriously giving me a headache. I'm losing interest in responding.
Careful not to fall out of that tree...


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23 Jan 2017, 10:57 pm

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I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


Is that 5% consistently spread, or top/bottom-heavy? A 5% increase in wages could be genuinely life-changing for some of the more impoverished in either of our societies.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:05 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


Is that 5% consistently spread, or top/bottom-heavy? A 5% increase in wages could be genuinely life-changing for some of the more impoverished in either of our societies.
For the average high school dropout this would mean they would be earning 22725 as of opposed to 20,241. Those people are hit the hardest and their wages would increase by 7%.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:19 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


Is that 5% consistently spread, or top/bottom-heavy? A 5% increase in wages could be genuinely life-changing for some of the more impoverished in either of our societies.
For the average high school dropout this would mean they would be earning 22725 as of opposed to 20,241. Those people are hit the hardest and their wages would increase by 7%.


So illegal immigrants have a significantly detrimental effect on the livelihood of the most impoverished Americans.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:26 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


Is that 5% consistently spread, or top/bottom-heavy? A 5% increase in wages could be genuinely life-changing for some of the more impoverished in either of our societies.
For the average high school dropout this would mean they would be earning 22725 as of opposed to 20,241. Those people are hit the hardest and their wages would increase by 7%.


So illegal immigrants have a significantly detrimental effect on the livelihood of the most impoverished Americans.
Wouldn't be sure about that 22000 is after all not a massive climb from 20000. Many American workers would still just be exactly where they are now impoverished. Compared to African Americans and Hispanics this figure is even less being that they would make only 4% more.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:33 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


Is that 5% consistently spread, or top/bottom-heavy? A 5% increase in wages could be genuinely life-changing for some of the more impoverished in either of our societies.
For the average high school dropout this would mean they would be earning 22725 as of opposed to 20,241. Those people are hit the hardest and their wages would increase by 7%.


So illegal immigrants have a significantly detrimental effect on the livelihood of the most impoverished Americans.
Wouldn't be sure about that 22000 is after all not a massive climb from 20000. Many American workers would still just be exactly where they are now impoverished. Compared to African Americans and Hispanics this figure is even less being that they would make only 4% more.


To someone on $20k a year, $2000 is a huge sum.

Have you ever actually experienced poverty? Anyone who has experienced the soul-destroying hopelessness of living hand-to-mouth would be stunned by your trivialisation of a 7% increase in income.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:39 pm

adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


Is that 5% consistently spread, or top/bottom-heavy? A 5% increase in wages could be genuinely life-changing for some of the more impoverished in either of our societies.
For the average high school dropout this would mean they would be earning 22725 as of opposed to 20,241. Those people are hit the hardest and their wages would increase by 7%.


So illegal immigrants have a significantly detrimental effect on the livelihood of the most impoverished Americans.
Wouldn't be sure about that 22000 is after all not a massive climb from 20000. Many American workers would still just be exactly where they are now impoverished. Compared to African Americans and Hispanics this figure is even less being that they would make only 4% more.


To someone on $20k a year, $2000 is a huge sum.

Have you ever actually experienced poverty? Anyone who has experienced the soul-destroying hopelessness of living hand-to-mouth would be stunned by your trivialisation of a 7% increase in income.
That kind of income means you don't have enough to push beyond your positon in life. The US poverty line is 12000 earning 20k is still enough to avert that.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:41 pm

Shahunshah wrote:
rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


It's not just wages and jobs. It's also property values, safety, and a sense of community. Doing nothing about the illegal immigrants would be ignoring the people in these communities.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:50 pm

rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
rats_and_cats wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
I am not a feminist. Your videos aren't data they are of a few individuals. Show me the data?

Everything about my experience and my family's contradicts what you are saying.


Datalis' videos showcased some of some of the most prominent, widely-followed and supported feminists of the last few years. Anita Sarkeesian's subscription numbers and crowd-funding support certainly qualifies as data.

Oh, and I'm sure you're familiar with the expression regarding the plural of "anecdote".
I don't like Anita but that is besides the point. Does she advocate the murder of male babies?

Illegal immigration does increase crime but the cost of deporting them is to destroy 13 million lives. It is possible that we could deal with criminals but leave law abiding immigrants alone.


If I may add, a town near me has gone to sh*t because of gang warfare and drug-related crimes brought over by illegal immigrants. Meth houses exploding, heroin epidemic, etc. This has forced many people to move and nearly trashed the economy of an already struggling area. I don't want to say the specific town for privacy reasons, but this isn't an isolated case. The livelihoods of the residents of those towns matter as much as the livelihoods of illegal immigrants. If they came over here illegally, they're already breaking the law. If they want to become a refugee, I think that should be an option open to them other than deportation, but what way do we have to tell who is here for a good reason?
I am not saying that bearing illegal immigrants doesn't bear a cost but it may have to be something that a country has to withstand. I have often heard it said by economists that if illegal immigrants were to leave wages would only grow 5%. If illegal immigrants at this stage overall don't have an absolutely devastating impact and we can do more good than harm by retaining them then why should they leave?


It's not just wages and jobs. It's also property values, safety, and a sense of community. Doing nothing about the illegal immigrants would be ignoring the people in these communities.
I'm not saying we should do nothing, we do need to secure a border with Mexico but what I am also saying is that the United States at this stage as a nation not in all communities is able to withstand this pressure. Getting rid of illegal immigration through deportation would just be casting away millions of lives. What's more or less true is that these people too also give benefits to the economy and that cannot be overlooked.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:52 pm

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That kind of income means you don't have enough to push beyond your positon in life. The US poverty line is 12000 earning 20k is still enough to avert that.


The US poverty line is $12000 for a single person with no dependents.

Four people, including two dependent children, is $24000.

And frankly, that $12000 figure is no more than an arbitrary marker for policy-making rather than a genuine understanding of life below the breadline. It puts me in mind of Iain Duncan Smith's claim that he could live on £53 per week, which he followed up with outrage when challenged to do so.



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23 Jan 2017, 11:55 pm

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That kind of income means you don't have enough to push beyond your positon in life. The US poverty line is 12000 earning 20k is still enough to avert that.


The US poverty line is $12000 for a single person with no dependents.

Four people, including two dependent children, is $24000.

And frankly, that $12000 figure is no more than an arbitrary marker for policy-making rather than a genuine understanding of life below the breadline. It puts me in mind of Iain Duncan Smith's claim that he could live on £53 per week, which he followed up with outrage when challenged to do so.
I know that but the average income for a single person who has dropped out of high school is still 20000 that is still almost double the average person who lives in poverty.



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24 Jan 2017, 12:34 am

Shahunshah wrote:
adifferentname wrote:
Shahunshah wrote:
That kind of income means you don't have enough to push beyond your positon in life. The US poverty line is 12000 earning 20k is still enough to avert that.


The US poverty line is $12000 for a single person with no dependents.

Four people, including two dependent children, is $24000.

And frankly, that $12000 figure is no more than an arbitrary marker for policy-making rather than a genuine understanding of life below the breadline. It puts me in mind of Iain Duncan Smith's claim that he could live on £53 per week, which he followed up with outrage when challenged to do so.
I know that but the average income for a single person who has dropped out of high school is still 20000 that is still almost double the average person who lives in poverty.


My point is that it's almost double someone who lives in greater poverty. I don't accept the premise that someone making $20000 can be considered to be even moderately wealthy by Western standards. I'm also pointing out that you're applying the government's arbitrary figures to arbitrary demographics, when the reality is that more than 40 million Americans live below the poverty line according to those same figures.

The privilege of prosperity and the attitude of the haves towards the have-nots is as old as human hierarchies, and is the true measure of how the electorate is divided today. The identity politics of black vs white, man vs woman, heterosexual vs non-heterosexual has subverted that struggle and promoted a flawed narrative that disenfranchises whole swathes of America in the name of some pseudo-religious moralistic horse manure.

When you put the people who, by your own admission, are directly impacting those forgotten Americans, at the front of the queue, you're slapping your impoverished countrymen in the face.



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Way too many posts on this thread are filling up my email box. You people are seriously giving me a headache. I'm losing interest in responding.
Careful not to fall out of that tree...


I told you before, when I'm in that tree, it's easier for me to pee on you.

Drink several beers before climbing the tree,make sure your bladder is good and full.He might like a nice warm golden shower.


He can have Trump join him for said golden shower. :lol:


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I think Bill has the drinking covered already.


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