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Alliekit
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05 Mar 2017, 8:50 am

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You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.


Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.


Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

You shouldn't accuse me of attacking. With most people it'll make them go on the defensive and/or cause them to put thier tail between their legs and stand down since they don't want to be thought of as a bully. In my case it just gives me a wolfish grin and tempts me to do more naughty things.

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But Raptor.
It seems to me you weren't attacking.
You were making a simple observation.

I know and so does Alliekit but I was accused of attacking so I played that card for what it was worth.


I was talking about the reaction normally seen by "passionate" conservatives on this site and in other places. I was asking because it invalidates your argument .

Stop getting your panties in a twist :roll:



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05 Mar 2017, 10:24 pm

Alliekit wrote:
Raptor wrote:
the_phoenix wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Raptor wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.


Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.


Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

You shouldn't accuse me of attacking. With most people it'll make them go on the defensive and/or cause them to put thier tail between their legs and stand down since they don't want to be thought of as a bully. In my case it just gives me a wolfish grin and tempts me to do more naughty things.

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But Raptor.
It seems to me you weren't attacking.
You were making a simple observation.

I know and so does Alliekit but I was accused of attacking so I played that card for what it was worth.


I was talking about the reaction normally seen by "passionate" conservatives on this site and in other places. I was asking because it invalidates your argument .

Stop getting your panties in a twist :roll:

I'm the one that twists other peoples panties, not the one that gets theirs twisted.
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06 Mar 2017, 5:11 am

Raptor wrote:
I'm the one that twists other peoples panties, not the one that gets theirs twisted.
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Oh dear I'm cringing for you



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06 Mar 2017, 7:58 am

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06 Mar 2017, 12:10 pm

Alliekit wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Alliekit wrote:
Raptor wrote:
DarthMetaKnight wrote:
You can't be fully conservative and fully tolerant.

A "tolerant conservative" is a "conservative" who isn't that conservative.


Fully tolerant liberals are quite the scarcity as well. Difference is that liberals re-define tolerance to suit thier needs.


Why is it necessary to attack liberals in order for you to justify your position? Its as if you have little confidence in the tolerance of conservatives

You shouldn't accuse me of attacking. With most people it'll make them go on the defensive and/or cause them to put thier tail between their legs and stand down since they don't want to be thought of as a bully. In my case it just gives me a wolfish grin and tempts me to do more naughty things.

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Umm a furry? :lol:

LOL The secret life of Raptor.


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07 Mar 2017, 11:15 pm

Raptor's a furry too?!?!? We have more in common than I thought! :D


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10 Mar 2017, 1:05 pm

I don't like the word "tolerance". It's weak, patronizing, and has a sense of polite PC phoniness about it. Marginalized people want respect and acceptance from society, not "tolerance". "tolerance" was an unfortunate word choice for liberals to use. It wasn't ever supposed to have anything to do with being polite and agreeable. Conservatives who like to whine about anger coming from their adversaries can suck it. If they don't understand where the anger comes from that's their own moral blindness.



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10 Mar 2017, 1:28 pm

The word tolerance does not quite convey the same meaning in every case. For some Southern black people, it meant simply to tolerate successful black businesses, and stop lynching us. At that point, people would have accepted separation in exchange for an end to events like the Tulsa Riots.

The word becomes meaningless if used to imply that people should tolerate oppression in an endless stream of new forms. Respect would be a better goal, but in a lot of situations tolerance was the most anyone could reasonably expect at the time. Respect was just too big a stretch.


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10 Mar 2017, 1:52 pm

One must refer to the thread «Hey, kids, don't be a sucker for liberalism» (or was it socialism).
Then the real question becomes : Can One Be Both Liberal And Tolerant?

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Even long before Trump became president, I have grappled with the question of whether conservatism automatically makes one a bigot, or whether one must be liberal to be tolerant.

Your thoughts?


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10 Mar 2017, 2:18 pm

I think Kraichgauer and kraftiekortie nailed it. All I care about is not being lumped with the extremists of any given ideology.


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10 Mar 2017, 3:50 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
All I care about is not being lumped with the extremists of any given ideology.


This is a silly position. That just means your speech and therefore thought can be controlled by cynical opponents or excitable morons. If you have the slightest concern about mass immigration, you will be called a Nazi and a racist. If you have the slightest concern about homosexual marriage, you are called a bigot and secretly gay too. Abortion? You are a misogynist... This fear of being lumped in is one of the biggest weapons the Left has used to control speech. You must lose this fear or your opinions are worthless, because you can never express them.


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10 Mar 2017, 4:37 pm

marshall wrote:
I don't like the word "tolerance". It's weak, patronizing, and has a sense of polite PC phoniness about it. Marginalized people want respect and acceptance from society, not "tolerance". "tolerance" was an unfortunate word choice for liberals to use. It wasn't ever supposed to have anything to do with being polite and agreeable. Conservatives who like to whine about anger coming from their adversaries can suck it. If they don't understand where the anger comes from that's their own moral blindness.


I understand why you don't like the word "tolerance" :roll: "If they don't understand where the anger comes from that's their own moral blindness." Irony alert :idea:


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10 Mar 2017, 4:38 pm

Mikah wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
All I care about is not being lumped with the extremists of any given ideology.


This is a silly position. That just means your speech and therefore thought can be controlled by cynical opponents or excitable morons. If you have the slightest concern about mass immigration, you will be called a Nazi and a racist. If you have the slightest concern about homosexual marriage, you are called a bigot and secretly gay too. Abortion? You are a misogynist... This fear of being lumped in is one of the biggest weapons the Left has used to control speech. You must lose this fear or your opinions are worthless, because you can never express them.


Also, the word 'extremist' doesn't mean anything. It's just a propaganda term to silence people.


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Ban-Dodger wrote:
One must refer to the thread «Hey, kids, don't be a sucker for liberalism» (or was it socialism).
Then the real question becomes : Can One Be Both Liberal And Tolerant?
Tim_Tex wrote:
Even long before Trump became president, I have grappled with the question of whether conservatism automatically makes one a bigot, or whether one must be liberal to be tolerant.

Your thoughts?


Someone who conflates socialism and liberalism is too uninformed to have worthwhile opinions on either. :wink:


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11 Mar 2017, 2:20 am

k, tiem for me to use bad grammer and spelling, saying things liek, your right...

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funeralxempire wrote:
Ban-Dodger wrote:
One must refer to the thread «Hey, kids, don't be a sucker for liberalism» (or was it socialism).
Then the real question becomes : Can One Be Both Liberal And Tolerant?
Tim_Tex wrote:
Even long before Trump became president, I have grappled with the question of whether conservatism automatically makes one a bigot, or whether one must be liberal to be tolerant.

Your thoughts?


Someone who conflates socialism and liberalism is too uninformed to have worthwhile opinions on either. :wink:


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11 Mar 2017, 2:53 pm

JohnPowell wrote:
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I don't like the word "tolerance". It's weak, patronizing, and has a sense of polite PC phoniness about it. Marginalized people want respect and acceptance from society, not "tolerance". "tolerance" was an unfortunate word choice for liberals to use. It wasn't ever supposed to have anything to do with being polite and agreeable. Conservatives who like to whine about anger coming from their adversaries can suck it. If they don't understand where the anger comes from that's their own moral blindness.


I understand why you don't like the word "tolerance" :roll: "If they don't understand where the anger comes from that's their own moral blindness." Irony alert :idea:

What irony? I already said I'm NOT "tolerant". I'm not a f*****g "soft" liberal. I'm not a damn hippie who likes to stand in a circle singing kumbaya.