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People forced out of their own country helps no one. Palestinians deserve to live in Palestine/Israel. Only Israeli ethno staters and their fans want them moved elsewhere. You live in pretty much a white ethno state area. Go live in an area flooded by the third world and you'll soon change your mind.

I "live around blacks." My wife is black.

That hasn't turned me into a conservative.....

I agree, Palestinians have the right to live in their own country. I also agree that the Israeli right are as dangerous as Islamists, and that their call for a purely Jewish state is no different from any other form of racial nationalism. That said, a great many younger Palestinians are open to a one state solution, but where Palestinians have equal rights with Israelis. The biggest opposition to this would come from Israeli right wing nationalists who want a racially pure ethno-state, and Muslim fanatics who live only to see Israel driven into the sea.
Here in America, right wing racists tell us liberals if we had to live around blacks, we'd have a different opinion of them. I fail to see the difference between that and what you just told me how my opinions on immigration would change if I had to live around third world immigrants.

Not just the Israeli right. Israel as a whole pretty much. Racial colonies expanded under the Labor party in the 90's. 95% of Israelis supported Israel's carpet bombing of Gaza in 2014. The country is already off the cliff. 'Muslim fanatics' aren't the problem and you ignore why people get angry.
See that's a great case of liberal racism, I never mentioned black people. You obviously see them as lesser. I said the third world which would include any war torn country or slum. It's not about color it's about the state of the country most likely destroyed by the US, (which you support).

No, I was only drawing a comparison, as you said I'd have a different opinion of third world immigration if my state was flooded with brown people.
I do understand how people react violently due to anger and humiliation. The exact same thing had happened to Germany after WWI, when the victors piled on top of the Germans and placed the weight of war guilt on them, even though they had only been pulled into the war which had already started due to their alliance with Austria-Hungary. The thing is, the end result of Germany's justifiable rage were Hitler and the Nazi party, which in turn was responsible for much worse horrors. Muslim fanatics that had grown out of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are comparable to the Nazis in that they are the monster born out of injustice.

Flooded with the third world.
Uh no, the Palestinians are comparable to the victims of the Nazis and some who react with force are comparable to those brave people in the Warsaw ghetto uprising. People under occupation have the right under International Law to use force. The occupiers have zero right.

Israel is a terrorist state. Don't blame the victims. Israel is the problem. No one supports killing innocent civilians apart from Israel and their supporters. And generally the occupied Palestbians pretty much always attack soldiers where as Israel pretty much always attack civilians. They shoot children in the face and illegal settlers have burned a family alive.

plus other write-in animals such as harambe ..

so now we have

democratS :

booker

buttigieg

castro

delaney ?

gabbard

gilibrand

gravel ...

harris

hickenlooper ??

inslee

klobuchar

messam

o'rouke

ryan

sanders

swalwell

warren

williamson

yang

moulton

biden



republican:

trump

weld



and the fascinating part..

libertarian:

kokesh

mcafee

supreme (...)

vohra

istvan


independent:

shultz

cuban

akon


green:

hunter


others:

kroell

rattiner

schriner


plus other write-in animals such as harambe.



its style is in alignment with the rest of the world now..

likely libertarians are going to cost republicans some votes , and independents democrats.

Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., became the latest Democrat to enter the 2020 presidential race Monday, launching a presidential campaign focused on national security.

"I'm running because I'm a patriot. Because I believe in this country. And because I've never wanted to sit on the sidelines when it comes to serving it," Moulton said on ABC News' "Good Morning America." "I'm going talk about patriotism, about security, about service. These are issues Democrats too long have ceded to Republicans."

40-year-old Marine combat veteran who earned a Bronze Star in Iraq, Moulton's stature has been rising since he won a seat in Congress in 2014 by defeating a long-time Democratic incumbent in a primary.

“Decades of division and corruption have broken our democracy and robbed Americans of their voice,” Moulton said in his announcement video. "It's all led to an administration that's turned away from our values and is shredding our moral authority.”

Moulton highlighted gun control, climate change and national security as a trio of issues he wants to address.

"I'm running because we have to beat Donald Trump, and I want us to beat Donald Trump because I love this country," he said. "We've never been a country that gets everything right. But we're a country that, at our best, thinks that we might. I'd be honored if you joined me in this mission."

Moulton may be best known, however, for his opposition to Speaker Nancy Pelosi. His call for new leadership in internal House elections early this year cost him some support back home in his congressional district north of Boston, which includes Salem and the famous fishing town of Gloucester. He later came around to support Pelosi.

Moulton is the 19th candidate to enter the very crowded Democratic field. He's hardly a household name and may struggle to stand out from the eight other male candidates.

But his advisers think the primary contest is still wide open and believe voters want a fresh, younger voice who is willing to break with their own party if need be. And his team argues he can carve a place for himself in the field by focusing on national security, which none of the other candidates have prioritized thus far.

He’s used his position in the House to recruit and support veteran candidacies with his PAC, which contributed $4.3 million in last year’s midterms.

Unlike most other young veterans in politics, Moulton joined the military before the September 11 terror attacks and led one of the first platoons to enter Baghdad during the initial invasion.

The other veterans in the 2020 field are Pete Buttigieg, the mayor of South Bend, Indiana, and Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, D-Hawaii.

Moulton holds three degrees from Harvard — including an MBA and masters of public policy — and attended the elite Phillips Academy prep school in Andover, Mass.

Ideologically, Moulton is progressive on many issues, coming out for the Green New Deal and abolishing the Electoral College and Senate filibuster before some other candidates. But he’s temperamentally considered more moderate.

meet michael bublé in the middle <3




Then we have a McAfee-Kokesh-Istvan Troika endorsed by Gary Johnson .. ???





Then we have Howard Shultz ft Mark Cuban endorsed by Akon ...??



And Dario ..



Then we have Trump ..




While the dems have Kamala Harris & Pete Buttigieg vs Bernie Sanders & Stacey Abrams .. truly curious what the black and brown heteros would choose ..