Why people with ASD / Autism / AS should not be a neo nazi

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28 Oct 2020, 10:02 pm

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Yes, I can confirm that after talking to some racists online and reading their thoughts, many of them do not know they are racist and they think what they are saying is facts. They even think you are only calling them racist because you disagree with their views. They may even hide behind the term "critical thinking" to be racist. Then they do the reverse racism thing by calling you the racist when you point out their racism or a racial issue in our country and will also call you the bigot for not tolerating their bigotry and their racism. Denying racism is racism.


A rather odd statement, without the needed qualifiers, that some automatically apply to anyone who denies it.
I'm probably taking you out of context.
Well, I hope so. 8O


BTW.
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I hope you aren't going to say "no". :mrgreen:



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28 Oct 2020, 10:07 pm

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Trump desperately wants to be authoritarian and has gotten too close for comfort but a neo nazi nope. Neo Nazis are people whom if they had the power to do so would kill off all minorities and start a war with the intention of having America capture the world.



This sounds more like communist China* that the Republican party. :scratch:



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28 Oct 2020, 10:12 pm

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The last time I studied up on what the American neo-Nazi movement was up to (a few years ago), their main aim was to create a whites-only homeland somewhere in Montana and/or Idaho, as well as to maintain white dominance and re-introduce segregation in the U.S.A. as a whole.


How is that working out for them, so far? :mrgreen:

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If you broadcast neonazi propaganda, then that's exactly what you are. Trump is a neonazi.


Nope. 8)

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EDIT: Decided to delete your post, cyberdad.
I did see it, though. :mrgreen:



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28 Oct 2020, 10:24 pm

There's a reason this statement partially applies to anyone in denial, such as Pepe; if you don't confront an issue, it remains a problem for you.

The reality is that if you show historical nazi symbols on Facebook, of all things, that's a 100% neonazi problem.

If you deny that the "leader of the free world" is interfering in individual freedoms, go read the news.


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28 Oct 2020, 10:27 pm

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There's a reason this statement partially applies to anyone in denial, such as Pepe; if you don't confront an issue, it remains a problem for you.

The reality is that if you show historical nazi symbols on Facebook, of all things, that's a 100% neonazi problem.


How come you know more about me than I know about myself? 8O
Simply saying something doesn't make it so. ;)



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28 Oct 2020, 10:30 pm

You just don't seem to know any better than to question the validity of refuting fascism.

Be careful what you wish for.


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28 Oct 2020, 10:32 pm

tl;dr There is a difference between nazis, neonazis & people who play devil's advocate for them, but we aren't fans. 8)


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28 Oct 2020, 10:43 pm

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You just don't seem to know any better than to question the validity of refuting fascism.

Be careful what you wish for.


Saying someone is a fascist if they aren't isn't kosher, dude.
Mussolini was a fascist. I don't refute that.

The ex-President to be is a Narcissist, not a Nazi.
I think you are confusing a businessman with a Nazi. ;)



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28 Oct 2020, 10:47 pm

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tl;dr There is a difference between nazis, neonazis & people who play devil's advocate for them, but we aren't fans. 8)


You said I played devil's advocate previously.
I didn't, and I'm not now.
I am simply using reason., and critical thinking. 8)

I can criticise either side of politics because I am *not* partisan.
I am an independent. 8)



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29 Oct 2020, 12:13 am

Independent from what? Acknowledging history?


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29 Oct 2020, 2:33 am

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League_Girl wrote:

Yes, I can confirm that after talking to some racists online and reading their thoughts, many of them do not know they are racist and they think what they are saying is facts. They even think you are only calling them racist because you disagree with their views. They may even hide behind the term "critical thinking" to be racist. Then they do the reverse racism thing by calling you the racist when you point out their racism or a racial issue in our country and will also call you the bigot for not tolerating their bigotry and their racism. Denying racism is racism.


A rather odd statement, without the needed qualifiers, that some automatically apply to anyone who denies it.
I'm probably taking you out of context.
Well, I hope so. 8O


BTW.
Q: Are *you* a racist?
I hope you aren't going to say "no". :mrgreen:


I mean pretending that racism doesn't exist and to downplay the racial issues we have in society. I mean we have had people here denying racism in the article about Central Park Karen.

Continuing to be racial color blind and pretend there is no racism involved is racism.

My question is when we don't call a 5 year old racist for them being naive because they are not aware of any racism in our society and their past but at what age does it become racist when the child continues to be ignorant about it?


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29 Oct 2020, 3:26 am

League_Girl wrote:
Pepe wrote:
League_Girl wrote:

Yes, I can confirm that after talking to some racists online and reading their thoughts, many of them do not know they are racist and they think what they are saying is facts. They even think you are only calling them racist because you disagree with their views. They may even hide behind the term "critical thinking" to be racist. Then they do the reverse racism thing by calling you the racist when you point out their racism or a racial issue in our country and will also call you the bigot for not tolerating their bigotry and their racism. Denying racism is racism.


A rather odd statement, without the needed qualifiers, that some automatically apply to anyone who denies it.
I'm probably taking you out of context.
Well, I hope so. 8O


BTW.
Q: Are *you* a racist?
I hope you aren't going to say "no". :mrgreen:


I mean pretending that racism doesn't exist and to downplay the racial issues we have in society. I mean we have had people here denying racism in the article about Central Park Karen.


Any chance you could point out an example of people denying racism there? I recall people pointing out the pavlovian cries of "racism" due to the incident involving people of different races, but without any justification outside of the racial differences between those involved.

As I recall, those pavlovian responces were related to the fact that she stated she was going to call the police in responce to being threatened ("If you're going to do what you want to do, I'll do what I want to do and you might not like it" can legitimately be interpreted as a threat) by an "African American" male.

The requirement to make that statement "racist", however, relies on it being unexpected\unusual to mention the race of the person when contacting the police, yet somehow, this is an important factor which the NYPD request be supplied, and one of the earliest\most important items of information required:
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Crimes in Progress or Just Witnessed

If a crime is in progress, or you have just witnessed or experienced a crime, try to get to safety first.

Call 911 immediately and try to stay calm.
Be alert of your surroundings and try to make mental notes.
When talking to the 911 dispatcher, keep in mind the following:
* The first question you will be asked is, "Where is your emergency?"
- Give the dispatcher as specific an address as possible.
- If you don't know the exact address, try to provide a street name or to identify landmarks around you. It is extremely important to provide as much detail about your location as possible.
* Is anyone hurt?
- Let the dispatcher know if anyone requires medical assistance.
* Make note of the physical characteristics of the victim or perpetrator, including such details as height, weight, race, hair color, eye color, tattoos, or scars.
* Make note of the clothing worn by the victim or perpetrator, including the type of clothing and color.
* Are the people involved on foot or in a car?
* Are there weapons involved?
Do not destroy evidence that could assist police, including any objects or clothing that could have fingerprints, hair, skin, blood or semen on them.

Source: https://www1.nyc.gov/site/nypd/services/victim-services/how-to-report-a-crime.page

So, if in her opinion, she was being threatened with possible assault, she would call 911.
The first item required to be supplied was the location of the incident
The second item is "is anyone hurt"
The third item required - Physical characteristics of the victim or perpetrator (as she was reporting a threat to herself, she would naturally describe the perpetrator), with required information being "details as height, weight, race, hair color, eye color, tattoos, or scars."

So, unless there is evidence that she would not have stated "she was going to call the police and report being threatened by a white male" were the person threatening her white (or an "asian american"\"hispanic american"\etc. as applicable to the person making the threat) there was no evidence of racism in the incident. Some may wish to insert it there for their own motives, but all that does is help devalue the term (possibly their intention?).

League_Girl wrote:
Continuing to be racial color blind and pretend there is no racism involved is racism.


Claiming racism simply because an incident involves people of different races, where the races of the people were not a contributing factor, lowers the impact of the term, and over enough time renders the term worthless...



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29 Oct 2020, 3:39 am

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So, if in her opinion, she was being threatened with possible assault, she would call 911.

She admitted to the police she filed a false report as Christian Cooper did not physically threaten her. I spent 5 pages of text trying to communicate this simple point to robot so please don't start this again.

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The third item required - Physical characteristics of the victim or perpetrator (as she was reporting a threat to herself, she would naturally describe the perpetrator), with required information being "details as height, weight, race, hair color, eye color, tattoos, or scars."

Of all the characteristics she only chose his race which she audibly emphasised in her call designed to intimidate Christian.


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Claiming racism simply because an incident involves people of different races, where the races of the people were not a contributing factor, lowers the impact of the term, and over enough time renders the term worthless...


Unless race was a factor which everyone knows Amy Cooper was trying to invoke "death by cop" on a gay birdwatcher who looks like he couldn't hurt a fly.



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29 Oct 2020, 3:56 am

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If the neo nazis come to power it would be worse for me and probably everybody but I think the illiberal left has more power now and greater potential in the near future.


They're in power right now (and have a long track record of being far more violent than their opponents). :?


So, are you saying nearly 50% of people who voted are neo-nazi sympathisers?


No, I'm saying they've enabled fascists. They don't need to all be ideologically in lockstep with the people they've voted into office in order to give them power.


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29 Oct 2020, 4:10 am

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I mean pretending that racism doesn't exist and to downplay the racial issues we have in society. I mean we have had people here denying racism in the article about Central Park Karen.


It is well known that there are racists in America.
But I doubt all Republicans are racist/fascist.

The problem with the extremists, in our midst, is that they lose credibility because of their irrational partisan bias and generalisations.

BTW, on the other side of the "coin", there would be left-wing racists, also, using the following definition:
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plural noun: racists

a person who is prejudiced against or antagonistic towards people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group,



League_Girl wrote:
Continuing to be racial color blind and pretend there is no racism involved is racism.

My question is when we don't call a 5 year old racist for them being naive because they are not aware of any racism in our society and their past but at what age does it become racist when the child continues to be ignorant about it?


Racist ideas are always racist ideas, no matter what age.
The question is, when does a child become responsible for racist thinking?
I agree with your consideration. 8)


Something further to consider:
On the flip side. :mrgreen:
What reasonable person would accept being called a racist, simply because they were born into a particular demographic?
It is their attitude and philosophy which makes them so, not the colour of their skin. 8)
The concept of genetic racism defies logic. 8O :wink:



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29 Oct 2020, 4:26 am

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Pepe wrote:
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If the neo nazis come to power it would be worse for me and probably everybody but I think the illiberal left has more power now and greater potential in the near future.


They're in power right now (and have a long track record of being far more violent than their opponents). :?


So, are you saying nearly 50% of people who voted are neo-nazi sympathisers?


No, I'm saying they've enabled fascists. They don't need to all be ideologically in lockstep with the people they've voted into office in order to give them power.


America has no fascist government. <sigh>
You just *think* they are.

If you are referring to the White Supremacy or Neo-Nazi groups, you could also say that The Democrats enabled rioters, Antifa, and criminals to cause the deaths of people, a billion dollars worth of damage and put many coloured businesses our of business. 8)