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Be careful with Bible references. They may not actually mean what you were told they mean. The point of Luke 12:23 is to reinforce the idea that people shouldn’t worry. Keep reading and see what Jesus has to say about values. It’s all tied into a single idea about anxiety. In other words: Don’t worry, be happy.

My religion is personal to me. But it isn’t religion that makes it ok to be selfish. It’s God who makes it ok to be selfish. The first chapter of the Bible shows that the universe and everything in it was created by God, it exists for His pleasure, and He can dispose of it as He wants. The world has been destroyed at least once, Genesis 1 hints that it might have been destroyed before, and Revelation shows that it will be destroyed again. God is merciful to those He wants to be merciful to and punishes those He wants to punish. That is not the nature of a wimpy god begging for man’s approval. That is an all-powerful, all-knowing God who knows what He wants and will spare nothing, not even His own Son, to get it. God wouldn’t be worthy of worship if He wasn’t selfish. If I am created in my God’s image, then selfishness is not a sin but rather a virtue.

Jesus said, “If you who are evil know how to give good things to your children...” Evil people indeed. Poor, evil people who refuse to pay taxes to the temple. Those ugly, awful people who won’t pay Corban money because they’re too busy looking after mom and dad. No wonder they hated Jesus so much, that selfish dog! That horrible man...

Jesus is the epitome of the self-determined individual. I know His words are often misconstrued as collectivist. Indeed, the book of Acts depicts an early, Christian, collectivist society in which people owned everything in common and took care of each other’s needs. It didn’t last very long. After people witnessed what happened with Ananias and Saphira, it became very clear that keeping your word and keeping greed out of the church really was a thing with God. Time to rethink what Jesus actually meant when He had His followers sell everything they own and follow Him. If you are tied down to property taxes and debt, you are too busy paying back your debts to fully engage in ministry and church building. The rich young ruler was too obligated to his subjects to be an effective religious leader, and we all know politics and religion don’t mix. There were other occasions when wealthy persons were acknowledged for their contributions towards spreading the gospel. Even Paul had a day job when he went on his mission trips. Rational self-interest and building wealth is plenty compatible with Objectivism.

Ayn Rand drew the proverbial line in the sand when it came to theology. More like a brick wall. I don’t believe she was correct on all points. The only logical conclusion you can have is that God exists and reveals Himself to us. Ayn Rand’s logic was borrowed from the Bible. She just never recognized it. Ayn Rand can only be as correct as her axioms. It is unreasonable to simply assume everything one says as correct. Closing the lid on objectivism was a huge mistake. Her immediate followers aren’t the only objectivists out there. I’m more an Atlas Society objectivist than an ARI objectivist. The difference is we’re more open to discussing spirituality. You can be a Christian and an objectivist. It’s just that Ayn Rand objectivism and Christianity are mutually exclusive. That doesn’t mean everything she said was wrong. She would disagree, however. She would probably say if she was wrong about Christianity, she would have to be wrong about everything.

Question for you AngelRho. Do you believe that demons or evil spirits can influence people to have thoughts and feelings that are negative? And, can they put confusion into your head?

I'm just wondering...

This 'Non-Human, Non-Altruistic Nature'

i Hear 'You' (Not You; Yes, 'You' Below)

Promoting is Surely Not Christian

According to the Lines Below

According to A 'You' A Pen Named Ghost

Author(s) Named 'Matthew' at Least

Yet Of Course if 'You'

Don't Love 'Your'

Enemy And

Turn the Other

Cheek And See

Everyone As 'Your' Neighbor

'You' Will Both Be The Devil and

The Demon And The DarK

Shadows Of Human Nature

And God Yes Light

And Love

In These

Matthew Verses

Provided Below

Yes, Yes, Yes,

There Are Humans

With Empathy and

Compassion For All

All Forgiving And

No, No, No,

There is

'Trump' And

All That Colors 'That God'

Within of Human too; Better

Relegated Indeed to the Oldest

Father Brain, The Reptile one

That Focuses Most

On Getting

More than Enough

And Reproducing

At All Costs To Survive

In Fear And Fight And Flight

Lasting Hate in Humans too

In A 'Machovillain' Competition

Less than

Kinder Way

of Cooperation

The Only Reason (Altruism

As Science Currently Shows) Humans

Ever Made it to the Agri-Age

WHere Grains are stored in Silos

And Selfish Greed In All 'Trump'

Ways of 'Reptile

Brain' Tries

To Rule

Love in Shadow Ways of Competition; Yet, of Course

Yes, No, 'They' Do Fail LOSE by 7 or so Million Votes...

No, Yes, It's Useless to Argue 'Either Side' Alone now

With the Old-Timey Bible as it Presents Both Sides of

Human

Nature

in Just one

Group of Verses

Whole And Divided

In Goats And Sheep Below

-G.O.A.T.

Do As You Wilt

Yet Without Love

One Is Not Even Rising

To 'the Level' of 'Aleister Crowley'

Golden Rule Yet Very Reflective of the Whole Jesus

Good And Bad Cop God too in the Old Testament God True

Too,

with

Lies,

Deceit,

And FrauDuLeNT

Means to Control Others

Through Faux Carrots and

Sticks; indeed, Like The Longest

Running Conspiracy Forever Now in

Centuries that Heaven is Somewhere

Else but Within as Luke 17:21 Surely Clearly Relates

iT Ain't

In A Dirt

Nap Yet

Other Bad

News Hell is As

Real as it Gets Within

It is often Spelled With

Greed, Selfishness Without

A Breath of Altruism Indeed

Yet

the

Human

Beast and

What Becomes

Beauty of Love For Some

IN Heaven Within Now too As

Art oF LiGHT iN Ever Colors More....

Anyway, it's a Fascinating Study for

A Participant Anthropology HUMAN Observer

Just Watching

What

Comes

Next

Again

DarK Thru
LiGHT Angels

And Demons Real And

Different Same....

iN
FlesH and

Blood Real....

OBTW of Course

The Meal, The Drink,

Is Love; As It's Worth

Noting That 'Jesus' Went

to Preach With Empty Pockets

As A Homeless Man Living off the

Charity of Others with only A Gift

Of Love to Give And Share And Indeed This

Is Possible

And Happens

Still for the 'Mammon

Independent' Already

Who Do Not Hover

in the Basement

Now

Of A

Pyramid

of Struggles

Instead; Yes, Heaven As Loving Breath

It is what it is Those Who Have More Naturally Produce More..

Yet the Wages of Heaven Are Always Within That Fruit of Love Giving

to Others As Even Science Shows Giving Free is the Inherent way to

Heaven Within; No Surprise as Healthy Well Adjusted Humans

Not Weighted Down with So ManY

CULTURAL CLOTHES

ARE AS KIND

AND EVEN

MORE LOVING

AND GIVING THAN

Bonobos Who Are Surely

More Altruistic And Loving

Than those Who Shuffle by

In Every Church i Attend

ALL FROWNY 'TRUMP FACE'

Yet the

Gospel

Singing

Does Still Ring

A Nice Heaven Tune

Transcendent in Flow

For Some With Arms Raised

to the Heaven's Within Real NOW.

It's True, Jesus, Wasn't A Socialist

According to the New Testament

He Was a Free Loader, No Different

Really Than 'The Dude' off 'the Big

Lebowski' Movie; Strikes and Gutter

Balls Some Days You

Receive Nice

Oils Massaged

On Your Skin And

Mary Magdalene's True

And Other Days Are More

Like Gutterball Crucifixion Days Than

10 Pin Strikes to Please The 'Egyptian/Viking Bowling Gods'..

Hehe, Yeah, Like the Video Below When Modern Jesus Meets

the

Biggest

Loser 'Trump' Yet

'You' See 'Trump'

May Have Legs

Yet He Has No Root or Vine of Love to Breathe

No Different than the 'Big Lebowski' in A Movie Clip...

'The Dude' Doesn't Even Need a Name to Breathe He And or Her Just is...

Those of Us

Who Give

Most

Naturally

End UP in Heaven

Now Karma it is

What it is; Not really

A Personal Responsibility

Just Will to Give Free and Stay in Heaven now or not...

-Freddy The Free Loader too

Just Another

Dude Who

Beat/Defeated

'The Orange Clown' System..

With Empty Pockets and only Give... AND SHARE

Just Checking in to See What the Condition of 'the Condition' is...

Of Course The Verses Below Are Metaphor Humans Are Not Rational

As Science Shows They Create Illusions And Basically the Hallucination

Of How Reality comes goes to Be Make A Metaphor Divided A Thousand Ways

All that's

Left is

Still Human

Potential of Great
Dreams And Trump

Nightmares for Real

As the 'Gas Chambers'

Totaling A 911 Death Toll

Count in Egyptian Nile of Blood

Continues to Overflow Each and

Every Day to the 'Devil's Please'

DeSiring to Bring Firing Squads

Back To Kill As Many Other Folks

As Possible Before He too Faces Karma FOR REAL..

WE

ALL

DO

All Equal
in Birth and Death...

Indeed Life is Fair

At the Beginning

And the End

Make it EPiC

Heaven Create it

That Way Now or

Just Fall Into Ocean Ever More

'Fair' Coming Next And Before... Again to Be i Am...


Matthew 25:31–46:

"But when the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then he will sit on the throne of his glory. Before him all the nations will be gathered, and he will separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. He will set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will tell those on his right hand, ‘Come, blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry, and you gave me food to eat. I was thirsty, and you gave me drink. I was a stranger, and you took me in. I was naked, and you clothed me. I was sick, and you visited me. I was in prison, and you came to me.’

“Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink? When did we see you as a stranger, and take you in; or naked, and clothe you? When did we see you sick, or in prison, and come to you?’

“The King will answer them, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ Then he will say also to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you didn’t give me food to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me no drink; I was a stranger, and you didn’t take me in; naked, and you didn’t clothe me; sick, and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’

“Then they will also answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and didn’t help you?’

“Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Most certainly I tell you, because you did not do it to one of the least of these, you didn’t do it to me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

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Good for you!

But please don't generalize from yourself to everyone else. Not everyone has whatever abilities enabled you to succeed.

In particular, autism entails disability -- different kinds of disability for different autistic people.

Even if it was ok for God to be selfish, that wouldn't make it ok for humans to be selfish.

Of course.  But no matter times I include the words "... if they are able", no one seems to see them, and I get accused of ableism.

Of course. But I also think that demons only have as much power over you as you give them. I’ve always been fascinated by instances of demon possession in the gospels. There’s no story about how one becomes demon possessed or specifically what that means. Jesus simply got rid of them. He didn’t exactly ask permission. My guess is that Jesus, being God, already knew that the possessed person wanted to be rid of his demons.

In a present-day context, I would say there’s no doubt in my mind that demons communicate with us and cause confusion. But I also think that people can become conscious of that and push away demonic influence. I think with more folks being oriented toward empirical thinking, preferring alternative explanations, and with a more if-I-can’t-see-it-it-doesn’t-exist mentality I think demonic influences are much more subtle. To put it a different way, people are evil enough on their own they don’t need help to destroy themselves and each other. I prefer to think the government itself is demon possessed. The worst part is people prefer it that way.

That's unfortunate & might be due to the fact that many NTs like to couch what they say - leaving things out but implying them or straight up pretending circumstances aren't what they are.

Would you agree with me that the workplace could be made more accessible, esp to autistic people and youngsters just coming into work? I think employers ought to be more honest about what they actually need and in some jobs, a test would be better than an interview.

Jobs which shouldn't need 'people skills': archival work, spreadsheet work, typing, loading boxes, collecting trolleys, shelving, programming, anything independent.
Jobs which shouldn't require 'experience': shelving in a shop, dish washing, delivering newspapers, lifting and carrying, waiting tables, collecting trolleys. If you pay minimum wage - don't demand experience.
Jobs which shouldn't require personality tests: pretty much all of them. I see the point in it if you're for eg hiring a psychiatrist but in most jobs, a personality test is just a way to root out the types of people you don't like and has nothing to do with the job.

I think if the employer actually thought about what was needed for the job rather than going on cliches like 'people skills' and 'experience', they would get better workers for the specific job and you would see a shift in the amount of people who were able to work.

Of course the ideal is to get as many people into suitable work as possible. But it's not the employees'/potential employees' job to make it that way. It's the job of the bosses and those working in recruitment.

Strange ... I remember a thread from about a year ago in which I proposed the same thing, and was roundly criticized for it.  There seems to be a large (or maybe just loud) group of people who believe they should simply receive the jobs for which they apply without their skills being tested or their qualifications being examined.

I administer a proficiency test that reveals a person's skills in maths (arithmetic, algebra, and trig), general electronics, and trouble-shooting.  Some people were visibly shaken and others were openly angered at the mere suggestion that their qualifications would be tested in this way -- "Just give me the job and I will show you" is their usual response.

But no, I will not fall for that trick again.  I want only the most qualified candidates, and not those who will try to bluff their way through their assignments and make excuses when they fall short of required results.

"Just take the test, and I will know whether or not to hire you."  Some have sweated it out (and failed), some have wept (after failing), and some have simply walked out without taking the test.  It is not all that difficult, either -- the maths are from second-year high school texts, and the electronics are from Technician-class Amateur Radio licensing exams -- a little heady, but not difficult for those who have actually earned their BSEE degrees.

"Just gimme the job" just doesn't cut it when you are looking for responsible, qualified people to hire, and not just trying to hire as many people as possible.

Yup



Most definitely! Not only just employers but parents and educators as well especially the guidance counselors. So should colleges. They all should play a part in letting us know exactly what the students are getting themselves into. Not just saying you must go to college and treat it as the end all be all.

Why not do a project based test instead of the written test? Consider it as volunteer experience and a trial run.



Exactly



Exactly!



I wish they would chunk them entirely and I do think some companies have done so. I'm not sure.



You're right again.

Of course the ideal is to get as many people into suitable work as possible. But it's not the employees'/potential employees' job to make it that way. It's the job of the bosses and those working in recruitment.[/quote]

Agreed!

What would you think of project based tests? I think project based tests are more of an accurate measure of what you would want in a candidate. If you use regular written tests then maybe they would simply memorize and regurgitate them but would they be able to apply them? Do you know what I'm talking about or am I speaking nonsense?

Elon Musk (Tesla & Space X) asks interview candidates this question ...

At the detriment of your own mind and thinking,

if your such enslaved,not mindful and unawakened.

Two realities,

we are after all,we are NOW in between two.

How,i mean HOW,

though not how,when you awaken.

Differentiate,when you have cleared your closet.

Think 'shadow work'.


Disengage from 'worders',find your own and go within.

'Words' are either black or white magick.

What does 'Elon Musk' evoke/invoke within you,

just as an example.

Look at other words that trip/evoke/invoke an emotion,

and just observe,

not why you've been triggered.

Observe why you've been triggered by a mechanism,

this ain't you.

You are the Master.

not the mechanism,tripper nor false mind.

You are separate,you are spirit.

Well, we're on the surface of the Earth. Here is why. No matter where we walk we're still on the surface of the Earth so if we walk one mile south, one mile west and one mile west we're still on the surface of the earth. So, we're one mile west from where we started yet we started on the surface of the earth and ended still on the surface of the earth.

That's my answer.

The answer is "the North Pole".

I looked it up NP. Ya, it is the North Pole.

And, here is an article that explains why.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/scienc ... e-week-14/

Which really means what we were taught as the definitions of North, South, West, East in our geography classes were wrong or really not defined well. Geography was taught as though we lived on a cartesian plane which is not true.

Looking at the lines on the globe North and South is defined as going from the South Pole to the North Pole and South Pole to the North Pole respectively.

Direction's starting point are these two poles and going from one pole to the other.

And, it begs the question. How much stuff are the schools teaching which are inaccurate or incomplete?

Lines on a globe are not straight and level lines like they are on the 2-d cartesian plane. Or maybe they are straight lines still but don't equal 180 degrees like they would on the cartesian plane.

I know now that there is no such thing a brontosaurus.

North and South Poles are the focal points that navigation and directions are based upon.

Very interesting stuff Robot! Thank You for posting this!