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13 Aug 2021, 10:31 pm

Dox47 wrote:

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Regarding "lying".
Any politician worth his pepper needs to be a master.
It is a requirement of the job.
Don't be so naive to think otherwise.

Say what you will about Donald Trump, he never lifted the speech and life story of Neil Kinnock, British Labor Party leader and delivered at as if it were his own, including his imaginary family history of coal mining, or claimed to have graduated at the top of his lawschool class (he was near the bottom), claimed to have been arrested trying to visit Nelson Mandela, or told tales of Corn Pop at the community pool...

I'm not saying Biden is just as bad, I'm saying that the difference between him and Trump is more one of degree than of substance, and Democrats need to be a whole lot less smug about voting for him as the lesser evil (the same dilemma facing many Republicans in 2016 with HRC on the ballot).

Trump didn't win the election, Clinton lost.
Biden didn't win the election, Trump lost.
I think there is a pattern developing. :mrgreen:

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14 Aug 2021, 3:57 pm

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What's funny to me about Biden is that in so many ways he's Trump lite, but cookie cutter blue anon Democrats will fight you to the death over that, even though it's glaringly obvious that he's a serial lying mediocrity who failed upwards his entire career, and was only elected because the alternative was so much worse. It's actually amazing how far you can extend the comparison, he's even got the shady relatives cashing in on his name, the history of questionable behavior around women (and the sexual assault accusation to go with it), the weird bluster and bravado ("listen here, fat!"), but hey, at least he doesn't Tweet.

I think there’s some pretty significant differences between the two. Biden was elected as a Senator at 29 and has a laundry list of achievements in the Senate. He knew what he was getting into when he ran for President

It’s also worth remembering that Tara Reade has a long history of lying under oath and repeatedly changed her story after failing to attract media attention. Trump, contrastingly, has multiple credible accusations against him.

There’s certainly some comparison on the bravado thing. I’m pretty sure “fat” was just him trying to say “fact” but his speech impediment getting in the way. But both Biden and Trump have that straight-talking thing going for them. I personally can’t blame the Democrats for going for “Uncle Joe” after Hillary struggled with a perception of insincerity.

The guy is way too left wing and way too dovish for my tastes. The current debacle in Afghanistan is going to go down as a big black mark in his book (and is also probably going to inflate Obama’s reputation further). There are Republicans I would prefer to Biden - you’d be better off with Charlie Baker as President and much better off with Hillary Clinton. But Biden is both cut from a different cloth to Trump (fundamentally Biden is a pragmatic politician and Trump is an attention-seeking bluffer) and where they have similar flaws, Biden does not have them to the same extent.

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14 Aug 2021, 5:39 pm

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The guy is way too left wing and way too dovish for my tastes.

So ironic. I often eat dinner with people who dismiss Biden as a Neoconservative who is indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton in terms of his interventionist foreign policy.

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15 Aug 2021, 10:26 am

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PLAINS, GA—In a rare interview with the media from his tiny dollhouse living room, former president Jimmy Carter expressed hope that he will no longer be considered the worst presidential failure in his lifetime.

"I've been seen as one of the worst modern presidents for a long time," said Carter, "but something tells me my luck is about to change. I'm not sure what it is, really, but the last few months or so have me thinking that I'll no longer be considered in last place-- and that's a great feeling."

Carter didn't name names or say why he feels this way, only that "it feels good to finally be in second-to-last place."

Some have suggested Biden may now be considered the worst president due to unspeakable damage his policies have done to the economy, the Middle East, and people's hopes for the future.

Others have suggested Trump should be considered the worst president ever due to the fact that he's literally Hitler and his skin is orange.

In honor of Jimmy Carter's accomplishment, local Democrat leaders will be throwing him a "not last place" party.

Congrats, President Carter!

Source: https://babylonbee.com/news/carter-says-hes-finally-hopeful-that-he-wont-be-worst-presidential-failure-in-his-lifetime

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15 Aug 2021, 10:43 am

MaxE wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

The guy is way too left wing and way too dovish for my tastes.

So ironic. I often eat dinner with people who dismiss Biden as a Neoconservative who is indistinguishable from Hillary Clinton in terms of his interventionist foreign policy.

They're very correct. Both Hillary and Biden are absolutely the worst of the worst when it comes to war. If we don't stop these endless conflicts in the ME, we probably have no more than a couple of decades, as Chris Hedges has contended, before the empire crashes. All you have to do is look at history. We're replicating the models of past failed empires.

We need a massive anti-war movement in this country, and we need to stop voting for Democrats and Republicans.

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15 Aug 2021, 11:17 am

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I happen to not care what Carter is quoted as having said in this article. However, after searching the web I can't find any other reference to this quote. I found one from 2 years ago in which Carter is quoted as saying that both Biden and Sanders were too old to be running for President. Apparently the Babylon Bee, which I had first assumed was a local paper from Babylon LI, is actually one of these far-right "news" sources equivalent to NewsMax and OANN. Nothing said in that sort of outlet should be accepted without question.

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15 Aug 2021, 11:21 am

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They're very correct. Both Hillary and Biden are absolutely the worst of the worst when it comes to war. If we don't stop these endless conflicts in the ME

Well Biden just pulled out of Afghanistan with all due haste. Not sure how this supports your characterization of him as a war monger.

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15 Aug 2021, 11:25 am

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They're very correct. Both Hillary and Biden are absolutely the worst of the worst when it comes to war. If we don't stop these endless conflicts in the ME

Well Biden just pulled out of Afghanistan with all due haste. Not sure how this supports your characterization of him as a war monger.

He's dropped bombs twice on Syria, already, and he's also bombed Somalia. He voted in favor of the Iraq War, and supported every war since. I think that's a pretty good argument.

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15 Aug 2021, 11:26 am

Actually, Babylon Bee is a satirical site.

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15 Aug 2021, 11:31 am

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Actually, Babylon Bee is a satirical site.

Yeah, took another look and I can see that it's "Christian satire" meaning I suppose it exists to entertain Christians. Well I'm not a Christian so not part if its target audience.

However I believe @Brictoria was presenting it as legitimate journalism. Poor bastard if was taken in! Perhaps he should stick to Australian politics.

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15 Aug 2021, 11:35 am

Well, to be honest, I've been taken in a time or two by satire. It's probably because reality is getting almost absurd.

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15 Aug 2021, 11:50 am

MaxE wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

Actually, Babylon Bee is a satirical site.

However I believe @Brictoria was presenting it as legitimate journalism.

You know: You're not the first person to make that mistake.

MaxE wrote:

Poor bastard if was taken in!

Fairly sure it wasn't me who went looking online for reference to the quote :wink:

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15 Aug 2021, 1:01 pm

VegetableMan wrote:

MaxE wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

They're very correct. Both Hillary and Biden are absolutely the worst of the worst when it comes to war. If we don't stop these endless conflicts in the ME

Well Biden just pulled out of Afghanistan with all due haste. Not sure how this supports your characterization of him as a war monger.

He's dropped bombs twice on Syria, already, and he's also bombed Somalia. He voted in favor of the Iraq War, and supported every war since. I think that's a pretty good argument.

If someone fires a rocket at you and kills a civilian, is it acceptable to fight back, or should you just let them keep killing people?

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15 Aug 2021, 1:31 pm

not big fan of biden..Trump was really something else . :roll: Had gotten the impression that Trump was a real thorn in Chinas side .but now am wondering if this Cuomo thing , was mask to get him into the next Presidential Race . ? He might prove all the allegations against him as false . And he was very popular in New York , i think . ?

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15 Aug 2021, 1:40 pm

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MaxE wrote:

VegetableMan wrote:

They're very correct. Both Hillary and Biden are absolutely the worst of the worst when it comes to war. If we don't stop these endless conflicts in the ME

Well Biden just pulled out of Afghanistan with all due haste. Not sure how this supports your characterization of him as a war monger.

He's dropped bombs twice on Syria, already, and he's also bombed Somalia. He voted in favor of the Iraq War, and supported every war since. I think that's a pretty good argument.

If someone fires a rocket at you and kills a civilian, is it acceptable to fight back, or should you just let them keep killing people?

Do you have any idea how many civilians we've killed in these countries? I find your ignorance and support of this s**t utterly revolting.

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15 Aug 2021, 1:43 pm

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not big fan of biden..Trump was really something else . :roll:

Had gotten the impression that Trump was a real thorn in Chinas side .but now am wondering if this Cuomo thing , was mask to get him into the next Presidential Race . ? He might prove all the allegations against him as false . And he was very popular in New York , i think . ?

Not sure who you're talking about. Trump - never popular in NY. Cuomo is just as unpopular these days. As for China, Trump was a clueless idiot the CCP bigwigs had a few laughs about after a couple drinks at the end of a long day. I doubt the Chinese spend a lot of time worrying about Biden. I don't think they take any Western leader all that seriously.

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