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17 Jul 2022, 12:27 am

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I never said that I was “okay” about this.


Just as long as you are okay with the way the law is written and saying "but the adult needs to be sure the woman is of age" despite the fact they can use fake IDs and sneak into adult clubs and there is no way of knowing they are a minor so yes this is being okay with it. Deny it all you want.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:30 am

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Adults do need to be vigilant about making sure that the person they are with is a legal adult.


That means don't trust women, assume every woman is out to get you and is evil and is going to exploit the law and is lying about their age and using fake ID. Only go after older women who are obviously not a teenager or under 25, doesn't matter if you are under 25 yourself. Trust no women. Don't go inside them. I am happy with this misogyny here with any man that practices this principal.

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There was no misogyny because I used gender neutral terms. It applies to both sexes.


I meant is misogynistic for a man to not trust any woman out there. I am fine with this because I don't see how this will harm women. it just means less women will get hurt. I even said on reddit "Good if a man is afraid of false accusations, it means they won't assault women or rape them. Let them be afraid and fear us. They will stay away from us then."

So if a man fears a woman is lying about her age pretending to be an adult, good isn't it? That means less men will sleep with underage girls they met at adult clubs. It's a win win.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:39 am

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I never said that I was “okay” about this.


Just as long as you are okay with the way the law is written and saying "but the adult needs to be sure the woman is of age" despite the fact they can use fake IDs and sneak into adult clubs and there is no way of knowing they are a minor so yes this is being okay with it. Deny it all you want.


I am not okay with children sneaking into clubs, but I’m even less okay with adults having sex with them.

This is an unproductive conversation because this has all been covered in the first 5-6 pages.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:40 am

League_Girl wrote:
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Adults do need to be vigilant about making sure that the person they are with is a legal adult.


That means don't trust women, assume every woman is out to get you and is evil and is going to exploit the law and is lying about their age and using fake ID. Only go after older women who are obviously not a teenager or under 25, doesn't matter if you are under 25 yourself. Trust no women. Don't go inside them. I am happy with this misogyny here with any man that practices this principal.

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There was no misogyny because I used gender neutral terms. It applies to both sexes.


I meant is misogynistic for a man to not trust any woman out there. I am fine with this because I don't see how this will harm women. it just means less women will get hurt. I even said on reddit "Good if a man is afraid of false accusations, it means they won't assault women or rape them. Let them be afraid and fear us. They will stay away from us then."

So if a man fears a woman is lying about her age pretending to be an adult, good isn't it? That means less men will sleep with underage girls they met at adult clubs. It's a win win.


Both men and women need to make sure that their lover is an adult. There’s no misogyny except what you are choosing to read into it.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:43 am

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I am not okay with children sneaking into clubs, but I’m even less okay with adults having sex with them.


But you are okay with them lying about their age using fake IDs to have sex with younger men close to their age.

But hey maybe men should stop trusting all women under the age of 25 even if they are under 25 themselves. It's a win win. You obviously don't care about children lying about their age to have sex with an older guy of age because somehow it's the man's fault for being at the wrong place at the wrong time and meeting the wrong person. Don't trust any woman under the age of 25, problem solved.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:45 am

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I am not okay with children sneaking into clubs, but I’m even less okay with adults having sex with them.


But you are okay with them lying about their age using fake IDs to have sex with younger men close to their age.



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I never said that.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:45 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
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Adults do need to be vigilant about making sure that the person they are with is a legal adult.


That means don't trust women, assume every woman is out to get you and is evil and is going to exploit the law and is lying about their age and using fake ID. Only go after older women who are obviously not a teenager or under 25, doesn't matter if you are under 25 yourself. Trust no women. Don't go inside them. I am happy with this misogyny here with any man that practices this principal.

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There was no misogyny because I used gender neutral terms. It applies to both sexes.


I meant is misogynistic for a man to not trust any woman out there. I am fine with this because I don't see how this will harm women. it just means less women will get hurt. I even said on reddit "Good if a man is afraid of false accusations, it means they won't assault women or rape them. Let them be afraid and fear us. They will stay away from us then."

So if a man fears a woman is lying about her age pretending to be an adult, good isn't it? That means less men will sleep with underage girls they met at adult clubs. It's a win win.


Both men and women need to make sure that their lover is an adult. There’s no misogyny except what you are choosing to read into it.


I'm not reading into anything. It's a fact of life that it's misogynistic for men to not trust any woman out there. I am just going by what it is like how you are going by "it's the law" to justify your opinion. Like it's socially acceptable for women to not trust men out there because misandry is socially acceptable. But if it's the other way around, feminists freak out about it and I am totally okay with them not trusting women because I don't see the harm.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:46 am

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I am not okay with children sneaking into clubs, but I’m even less okay with adults having sex with them.


But you are okay with them lying about their age using fake IDs to have sex with younger men close to their age.



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I never said that.


You opinions imply that and I am pointing out the flaw in your opinion. You just don't like it.


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17 Jul 2022, 12:50 am

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I'm not reading into anything. It's a fact of life that it's misogynistic for men to not trust any woman out there. I am just going by what it is like how you are going by "it's the law" to justify your opinion. Like it's socially acceptable for women to not trust men out there because misandry is socially acceptable. But if it's the other way around, feminists freak out about it and I am totally okay with them not trusting women because I don't see the harm.


Men and women need to make sure their sexual partners are adults or they could find themselves in jail (not to mention the other considerations that are involved…)

There’s nothing new here. This has been the case for years.



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17 Jul 2022, 12:54 am

League_Girl wrote:
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I am not okay with children sneaking into clubs, but I’m even less okay with adults having sex with them.


But you are okay with them lying about their age using fake IDs to have sex with younger men close to their age.



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I never said that.


You opinions imply that and I am pointing out the flaw in your opinion. You just don't like it.


There is no flaw. I never said that I was okay with that behavior. I’m not.

Both parties can be wrong. It’s not entirely black or white. However, his crime is much more severe, and he’s an adult.



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17 Jul 2022, 1:03 am

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The bottom line in my opinion is that a sex offender is someone who breaks whatever laws exist about sex, age, consent, trafficking, coercion, or activity.

Clearly some offenders are more dangerous to the general public than others.

That's why there are different classes of sex offenders, and some are labelled Dangerous.

In the case of the first story, she was a sex offender whether people like it or not.

In the second story yes there are mitigating circumstances because he was deceived. I would hope his legal team fought those charges to lessen his sentence. That doesn't mean he didn't commit an offence, willingly or not.

For example,
If I decide to take street drugs without checking what they really are, that's on me.
If I kill or injure someone including myself, I'm responsible.
That should be the same if my drug dealer promised me they were safe.


The girl in the second story should / could be charged as well, I would think.
That's for using false ID, lying under police investigation, intent to frame a person, etc.


Basically this.



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17 Jul 2022, 1:04 am

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There is no flaw. I never said that I was okay with that behavior. I’m not.


If you are not okay with it, then you would agree the adult is the victim when they were lied to because they had no way of knowing the woman was lying about her age and using fake ID and you would agree this is a gray area that should be addressed and be concerned about. You would agree that people shouldn't have to register as a sex offender for this scenario because it's not like they go after minors and prey on them. We are talking about kids that sneak into adult clubs and say they are 18 and have fake IDs saying they are, not 19 year olds sleeping with 14 year olds and were fully aware of their age.

The flaw is that it doesn't address this issue and they make it black and white and you just said it's not black and white.

If predators wanted to pray on minors, they wouldn't be going to adult clubs to look for them there. They would go somewhere else where they will be a minor or they befriend the parents who have a minor to get close to them. I don't think a man that was tricked into having sex with an underage girl is a predator because it's impossible to pray on someone whom you think is 18, how do you pray on an 18 year old when you are 19? Imagine a 32 year old praying on a 27 year old, I mean how would that work? How do you pray on someone if you don't know they are underage because they had fake ID and said they were 18?


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17 Jul 2022, 1:10 am

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There is no flaw. I never said that I was okay with that behavior. I’m not.


If you are not okay with it, then you would agree the adult is the victim when they were lied to because they had no way of knowing the woman was lying about her age and using fake ID and you would agree this is a gray area that should be addressed and be concerned about.


We aren’t talking about a “woman.” This is a 15 year old girl.

Perhaps lawyers can encourage the judge to take mitigating circumstances into account during sentencing, but if people sleep with minors, they probably deserve jail time. Otherwise, people would find ways to work the system.

I would have to research this particular case more to see if any details are missing, too.



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17 Jul 2022, 1:12 am

Imagine a predator walking into an adult bar hoping to meet minors there but wait, they all have IDs saying they are 18. How is he going to know which ID is fake, how is he going to know which woman there is actually 16 or 17 or maybe even 15? So maybe he meets a woman and he would have to hope she was lying about her age and her ID was fake. He would have to hope he is coercing her and manipulating her even though he is 21. I mean is this what the judges actually think of people who unknowingly sleep with underage who had a fake ID and said they were 18 and were at an adult club?


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17 Jul 2022, 1:13 am

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There is no flaw. I never said that I was okay with that behavior. I’m not.


The flaw is that it doesn't address this issue and they make it black and white and you just said it's not black and white.


Sleeping with minors is always against the law (except with Romeo and Juliet laws which don’t apply here), so that is black and white.

It’s not always black and white with trials. Sometimes both parties can be guilty of something.



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17 Jul 2022, 1:14 am

Twilightprincess wrote:
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There is no flaw. I never said that I was okay with that behavior. I’m not.


If you are not okay with it, then you would agree the adult is the victim when they were lied to because they had no way of knowing the woman was lying about her age and using fake ID and you would agree this is a gray area that should be addressed and be concerned about.


We aren’t talking about a “woman.” This is a 15 year old girl.

Perhaps lawyers can encourage the judge to take mitigating circumstances into account during sentencing, but if people sleep with minors, they probably deserve jail time. Otherwise, people would find ways to work the system.

I would have to research this particular case more to see if any details are missing, too.



By "woman," I am speaking from a man's perspective when he met her at the club. How is he going to know her ID is fake and that she is not 18?


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