Is Sexual Orientation Actively Changable?

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ROFL
No. Not fact. Fiction.
You just believe it. Doesn't make it true.
Again, you do not live in a theocracy, and aren't you supposed to have separation of church and state over there? So why do you seem to think your government should legislate based on religious superstition?

Ragtime, you make me laugh.
Look at Britain. Look at Canada. Look at any other country which allows gay marriage. Is society crumbling? It will change absolutely nothing. People who are already is relationships will then have the same protection for their relationship that you are entitled to. You won't suddenly see a load of straight parents splitting up and turning gay.

It is allowed though. As long as you're over 16/18 and want to marry someone with a penis, if you don't have one, or without a penis, if you do, then you can get married. Reasons why, expectations for how long you will remain together, are irrelevant. A man who beats his wife is allowed these rights, but not me?

Yeah, I'm sure he thinks it's OK to kill... Right...

By his stated philosophy, he would.

wow, you were missing the point AGAIN lol
.. unless you really think all the other stuff I said are actually sinful and inmoral, if so, then it was very hypocrital of you to say that women suck better than men, wouldn't that be?

I was illustrating something:

1. The original concept of the Bible, what was considered at the time it was written? people saw all of that as sinful, even the people who wrote it, including Paul and Moses (that if it was really him) It was originally intended to be seen like that, you know how the gender roles were back then, what many people do today that is part of a healthy sexual relationship it was considered unnatural. Probably those "unnatural" things were done by prostitutes only, any "decent" woman wouldn't do such a thing. Masturbation was also condemned and seen as "unnatural" as well.

2. Of course most of those things have been changed over the years, as with time humanity had advanced with science, technologies, social changes, etc. Knowledge about sexuality was very limited back and very subjective, the term sexual orientation didn't even exist. Religion's view has changed with time as well, mostly in western societies, they have made adjustments. The thing is that most of them have not done adjustments about homosexuality "yet", even though they did about other things that were considered "abomination".

That's part of the problem, other stuff accepted and changed but this.

That's not a good and valuable reason, I know that is why you are against it, but it is no more than a religious dogma. It is very absurd for me, if that is the only reason for banning gay marriage.

It is not really harmful at all, anyone who has common sense and an open mind would see that, things are wrong and harmful only if someone is getting hurt (example: non consensual, manipulation, etc. things that happen very well in straight relationships and because of that straight marriage is not wrong, is it?). To the contrary I believe they will feel happy because they will feel like being equal at last. So it would be the other way around.

LOL

I obviously didn't say that, now that you know that, who might feel like an idiot. That's ok.

Why this argument sounds very familiar to me?

Are you worried about child birth reduction too? lol

Exactly, those countries and I think there are others from europe as well, right? they don't seem to have any economical problems because of that. That's ridiculous.

and..
Aren't lesbians capable of having children?

Yep. And both can adopt. Or they could be bisexual and have a kid from a previous relationship. There are several ways gay couples can have kids. So the whole'kids' excuse is bollocks.

As I've said elsewhere: as a Christian, "because God said so" is reason beyond any reasoning the comparatively puny human mind can formulate, and therefore it's reason enough for me.

Until you can prove that your imaginary friend exists, this is not a good reason. Why do you live in a country with separation of church and state? Why don't you just get up and move to some ret*d country where you can force your beliefs down people's throats?

No, I'm not missing the point -- I see your point, but I'm using your logic to make my own point. You think 3 sins is the same as those 3 plus 3 more; it's not.

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Just wait till it's all legalized and commonplace, and maybe THEN you'll finally see what I mean.

Obviously, but legalizing gay marriage will precipitate a drastic moral decline. People will start marrying animals and children, and I say that because those organizations are next in line, waiting for marriage approval after the gays get it.

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