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08 Apr 2008, 8:18 pm

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Level-headed doesn't work on people like Zendell. I honestly don't think he's mentally stable.

Parakeet's just a jerk, though. Frankly, I'm a bit sick of him.


I think we all are :lol:



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08 Apr 2008, 8:51 pm

Oooh, Leviticus! This should be fun...

Chapter 5 addresses the various things for which one may become guilty inadvertently, including touching an unclean animal (beetles are unclean - if you touch a ladybug, you're a sinner!) or human waste (be really careful when you wipe, then), or "swearing an oath carelessly" ("I promise I'll respect you in the morning", perhaps?), and the means for expiating one's guilt. We're gonna need more goats...

Ch 7, verses 22-27 - no animal fats, and it had better be well-drained of blood, or you go to Hell for eating it.

Ch 11, verses 9-12 - there go clams, oysters, shrimp, and lobster. ("Anything living in the water that does not have fins and scales is to be detestable to you." - Lev 11:12, NIV)

Ch 11, verses 29-36 - a list of unclean lizards. Eating them is forbidden; so is touching them, or touching anything they've touched. If a gecko, for instance, is overhead, and falls onto your clothes, they're unclean, and if you touch where it fell, so are you. Back to the goats! Maybe we should switch to the backup sin sacrifice - I'm pretty sure the supply of pigeons is adequate...

Ch 12, verses 1-5 - if a woman gives birth to a boy, she's unclean for seven days, and her boy gets circumcised on the eighth. If she has a girl, they're both unclean for two weeks, and can't be repurified for another 66 days. What a great neonatal plan! How very moral!

Ch 15, verses 1-12 - if you have a bleeding wound, you're unclean! So is anything you touch, and anyone. The "emission of bodily fluid" doesn't have to touch anything - the mere fact that it happened makes you and everything near you unclean.

Ch 19, verse 13b - "Do not hold back the wages of a hired man overnight." Standard pay methods are an abomination unto the LORD!

Ch 19, verse 19 - no growing two kinds of crops in the same field (even though soy can fix nitrogen in the ground, and increase the corn yield). And no cotton/poly blend clothing - wearing cloth made of two kinds of fabric is a sin!

Ch 19, verse 27 - no haircuts, no beard trimming.

Ch 19, verse 28 - no tattoos. Boy, this chapter doesn't like anything!

Ch 20, verse 10 - adultery is a capital crime. That should keep the executioners busy for a while - but we'll run out of government officials before long...

Ch 21, verse 21 - no one with any physical imperfection whatsoever is permitted into the temple.

Ch 23, verse 17 - anyone know how many ounces in an ephah? We're supposed to sacrifice a certain amount of flour every so often (fifty days after seven weeks after the first Sabbath of the year - and I thought Easter was hard to figure out!).

Ch 25, verses 8-14 - so, every fifty years, all real-estate deals are null and void, and everybody gets their original property back. Any home sales must be based on how long is left until the next Jubilee. And you thought housing prices were volatile now!

And I'm not even going to get into the exacting specifications for the sacrifices (which come in three basic categories, and are further defined according to the degree of offense or gratitude involved). I don't see anyone advocating the establishment of any of the above into law, so why should be pick out the one offense that creeps you out personally?


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08 Apr 2008, 8:53 pm

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All I did was post the conclusions of scientific studies and the teaching of the Christian and Jewish religions that have been taught and believed unchanged for almost 2,000 years.

The studies have been superseded. And if you honestly believe that nothing has changed in the practice of Christianity and Judaism in two millennia, I have to conclude that your grasp of history is rivaled only by your grasp of organic chemistry.


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08 Apr 2008, 8:57 pm

Kilroy wrote:
Griff wrote:
Level-headed doesn't work on people like Zendell. I honestly don't think he's mentally stable.

Parakeet's just a jerk, though. Frankly, I'm a bit sick of him.


I think we all are :lol:

Jerks? I think we are ;)


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08 Apr 2008, 9:06 pm

Are there any thread killers here? :twisted:


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08 Apr 2008, 9:07 pm

ha ha

no sick of parakeet and his bitching about christianity
(to him I say)
no one cares dude, enough already



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08 Apr 2008, 9:08 pm

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Are there any thread killers here? :twisted:

Heh, heh - I'm on it, MissConstrue! :twisted:



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08 Apr 2008, 9:28 pm

DejaQ wrote:
Griff wrote:
Level-headed doesn't work on people like Zendell. I honestly don't think he's mentally stable.

Parakeet's just a jerk, though. Frankly, I'm a bit sick of him.


Now you see, if you resort to calling out people on a personal level like that, you're only as good as (if not worse than) the people you criticize.
Argumentum ad hominem. My personal feelings toward Zendell and Parakeet have nothing to do with the validity of my position. You are arguing that it does affect the validity of my position. This is argumentum ad hominem by textbook definition. You're doing the same thing you're accusing me of, man.

You gotta understand, dude, this isn't just some distant, intellectual issue for me. It's something that could really affect the course of my life. Just a few years ago, we were just a cunt-hair away from the sodomy laws coming back. Just a few years ago, a gay man couldn't hope to hold political office anywhere in the country. Keeping these guys down is a necessity of life for a person in my position.



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08 Apr 2008, 9:41 pm

well, back to the thing about homosexuality and religion, there is a point in which its really dangerous to deny equal rights to some people, and promoting hate in a direct or indirect form, the diabetic girl who died days ago is an example of how these things and beliefs can be dangerous. Separation of church and state should prevent such dangers.


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08 Apr 2008, 10:01 pm

Griff wrote:
You gotta understand, dude, this isn't just some distant, intellectual issue for me. It's something that could really affect the course of my life. Just a few years ago, we were just a c**t-hair away from the sodomy laws coming back. Just a few years ago, a gay man couldn't hope to hold political office anywhere in the country. Keeping these guys down is a necessity of life for a person in my position.

It's true - Parakeet and Zendell may actually feel pretty righteous, yet they are spewing the same 'holy' rhetoric that is still used to defend anti-gay legislation.

One can wrap hate speech in the pages of a bible, but it's not much of a disguise. Yet, insidiously, it creeps into people's thinking when they hear it over and over again - a real shame.



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08 Apr 2008, 10:47 pm

Zendell: The Levites were nothing but a bunch of fat, lazy do-nothings who couldn't be bothered to work the land like everyone else. They demanded "tithes" for their "special responsibilities." They can call it what they like, but they were nothing but professional tax collectors. They were vermin, man! They didn't do anything productive!

All they did for the Israelies was tell them how to grovel correctly and remind them to wash their hands before eating. They were nannies at best, crooks at worst.



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09 Apr 2008, 12:06 am

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Griff, be thankful I'm not advocating to bring back the death penalty for gay offenders like we used to have in America.

Gay 'offenders' ???
Do you have any idea how offensive that is?
And just why is it that others should be thankful to you?
How unbelievably sanctimonious!



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09 Apr 2008, 12:22 am

zendell wrote:
DeaconBlues wrote:
Oooh, Leviticus! This should be fun...

The problem is the passages are taken out of context. I think most of your quotes have to do with the laws of ancient Israel and don't apply to anyone else. I think you misunderstood many of the passages you quoted and don't understand the culture and the time period in which they were written.

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads. (Leviticus 20:13, NIV)"

I quoted the passage above to show that homosexual acts are a sin. However, because the passage is written for ancient Israel, I am not obligated to execute homosexuals. I don't think I have to advocate bringing back the death penalty for homosexual offenders either.



prove it.

almost every real sin has a social consequence. what's the social consequence of homosexuality? i know the consequence within the context of when it was written (which you obviously don't) but tell me how it affects the world around us negatively.

and making god cry doesn't count. god's a big boy and he can take it since he created it.



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09 Apr 2008, 12:46 am

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