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Do you believe in a God or follow any sort of religion?
yes (I'm aspie/autie) 41%  41%  [ 127 ]
no (I'm aspie/autie) 55%  55%  [ 170 ]
yes (I'm NT) 3%  3%  [ 8 ]
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29 Aug 2008, 11:02 pm

Hhahaha, oh my.

I'm only giving you a sample of what I know, it goes far beyond what I am showing you.

Hell I don't even know how far my own abilities stretch. And unless I reach the supposed singularity and gain access to longevity technology then the extent of Universalism is beyond the scope of my lifetime.

One cannot get to wrapped up in concepts.

You know I'v never had enough money to actually build a temple and actually design it's purpose so I can only think off the top of my mind on the subject. I don't exactly have an army of followers and personal assistents and likeminded thinkers to help me work this s**t out. But I'll give it a shot off the top of my head.

It's a place of teaching but not so much in the traditional sense. A Universalist temple would be more of a place for people to come together a few times a week, maybe have someone who has mastered Universalist philosophy to give an informative preferably educational, inspirational speech on what human beings know and don't know about Existence.

Maybe say a prayer for all people of the Earth that yearns for peace and the general well being of everyone. Just because one doesn't know what governs Existence, doesn't mean one cannot say a prayer from the heart that all people should find peace in Existence.

Inspiring speeches can be given by people who master the philosophy of Universalism about what people should strive to acheive in Existence.

A feast can be laid out that people can enjoy and generally socialize around and make freinds.

A Universalist temple is a place to hang out, pass the millenia, network and generally get together and write better s**t then I wrote in my own lifetime.

A Universalist temple is more of a meeting place, a place people can gather and simply get to know one another.

A Universalist temple is a place that is a physical symbol of the philosophies of Universalism. It's something people can see, something to draw the curiousity of non Universalists.

A Universalist temple in the very construction of it's arcitecture needs to symbolise that Universalism is unlike anything from the traditional religions of Earth.

I'v actually thought a lot about it. That's freaken scary. It's not like I have the money to commision a temple of Universalism and start experimenting with what it's purpose would be, so it's kind of hard to imagine what would go on in it.

Universalism isn't all fun and games. It's about being generally good to your fellow human beings and Universalism is about trying to be best human being one can be. Universalism is about accepting human beings of different sexual orientation, racial orientation, even people of different religious orientation. Although I am not so good at that last one. I'm kind of biased against people who believe in philosophies that are obviously stupid but I try to be forgiving I really do.

I would certainly like a temple of Universalism to be an interesting place to visit. I wouldn't want it to be boring. You know, nice gardens, interesting tactful and inspiring artwork, comfy chairs, good food, informative teaches, hanging out that people can talk to.

A Universalist temple is a place to get aquanted with Univeralist philosophy. It may not take the traditional format of a central stage everyone sits in front of and listens to some dull ass sermon. A Universalist temple may consist of circles of quite comfortable chairs around which people can sit and listen to accomplished philosphers of Universalism explain the more subtle aspects of the philosophy of Universalism.

I just had an amusing though.

Techniqually a Universalist temple is just a place to kind of hang out, grow more intelligent, pray for a better future, and generally hang out in while the millenia pass. You know and hopefully draw the right kinds of minds to it. I mean everyone is welcome to Universalism. I, of course am interested in people who can become accomplished philosophers of Universalism though. Followers are fine and good and all, but one needs people gifted in understanding the philosophies of the religion I write, and who can teach others the realities of Existence. Maybe even have a mixed martial arts dojo and gym out the back of the temple for those that need a bit of daily physical discipline.

A Universalist temple would be a place to work out how to greater influence humanity towards a better future. It would be a place to discuss Universalist philosophy and develop new Universalist philosophy.

Think about how many questions religion encompass.

-How should the death of the person be treated? I'd rather be buried, or cremated without a single person or word said after I die if I can't die and put to rest as a Universalist, and with the philosphy that would encompass. I don't want anyone other than a Universalist laying my body to rest.
-Should homosexuality be condoned in Universalism. (Of course it should, so long as the individual isn't crossing some very fine line between their sexual orientation and into the realm of pure evil. Hetrosexuals and homosexuals can be just as evil as each other. I'm hardly a saint.)
-What is the line between living a good life and what actually is Evil. (At what point does the freedom of the expression of the individual start to cross the line into evil.)
-What about abortion? Is it right or wrong? (personally I don't think it's anyones business what a woman does with her own body. Seriously, bringing a child into the world can be far more detrimental to causality in general, if a woman doesn't have the resources to look after it than not bringing a child into the world. But it's more complicated than that.)
-What about genetics and all future human developments in science and technology. Should they be resisted or embraced. (I'm pro genetics, pro cybernetics and generally pro anything that augments and enhances my lifespan, physiology and intelligence. Where do you draw the line in relation to the responsible use of science and technology?)
-OooOoo, here's a tough one, what about polygamy verse monogamous marriage. What exactly is wrong with having a marriage of people in which there are two men and two women - for example - married as a group. I mean aside from the logistical nightmare. I'm going to stick to monogamy personally that's hard enough. But it is for Universalism as a religion to decide what sex can marry, what sex, or how groups of people should be married? God hasn't told me sweet f**k all. 8)

There has to be a Universalist code of conduct of some kind. That's the kind of thing that Universalists can discuss in their temples.

I'm making light of these issues but they are serious issues of religion.

I hate moral philosophy personally it's such a gray area and is so freaken boring but you know, they are questions that need to be answered in Universalism. I'm all about freedom of expression but there are limits that a person should not cross in leading a good or bad life.

A Universalist temple is a place to discuss and work out these things.



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29 Aug 2008, 11:03 pm

Sunday = Reeshon רִאשׁוֹן
Monday = Shenee שֵׁנִי
Tuesday = Shleeshee שְׁלִישִׁי
Wednesday = Re'vee׳ee רְבִיעִי
Thursday = Xameeshee חֲמִישִׁי
Friday = Sheeshee שִׁשִּׁי
Saturday = Shabat שַׁבָּת



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29 Aug 2008, 11:14 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sunday = Reeshon רִאשׁוֹן
Monday = Shenee שֵׁנִי
Tuesday = Shleeshee שְׁלִישִׁי
Wednesday = Re'vee׳ee רְבִיעִי
Thursday = Xameeshee חֲמִישִׁי
Friday = Sheeshee שִׁשִּׁי
Saturday = Shabat שַׁבָּת


iamnotparakeet, why a week has seven days? and why the number seven seems to be a sacred number in the Bible, something interesting I wonder about this :P


A number is arbitrary in itself.



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29 Aug 2008, 11:19 pm

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A number is arbitrary in itself.

I decided to make a new thread about this.


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29 Aug 2008, 11:54 pm

I believe in God, but not mainstream religion. I've had too many bad expirences with so-called "Christians" and bad expirences at most churches. I can only go to a Latin Catholic Mass but I can't stand it when the service is over and people try to chit chat with you as you are leaving. I am so tempted to scream, "Get away from me you f&^%$ perve!"



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30 Aug 2008, 1:07 am

Tax Exemption, heh, hell man, mutant I'd settle for a weekly freaken wage to do what I do. You know, some health insurance, maybe holiday pay for a few weeks a year. I'll worry about tax exemption once someone other than my wife actually learns what I'm doing and starts paying me. I'd like to be 100 percent altruistic but I have f*****g bills to pay, you know. :twisted: Hhmm I can't even remember the last time I looked at a bill, well my wife has bills to pay, that'll do.

I'm just joshin around. 8)

And yeh Claire, I'm going to get ill soon. This isn't a sympathy thing, I'm going to get ill and shut down. I'm so sensitive hey, my brain will just shut down to protect me. I'v been writing and editing for a few weeks now. At some point my brain just shuts off.

My life is really nice Claire, I have a wonderful supporting wife, a nice home out in the Aussie outback. I hand feed the Kookaburras in the afternoon, hang out with my cats, it's pretty chilled.

Don't worry I just need the downtime.

And then I'll be back on duty, again. And I'll create new philosophy and edit old philosophy.

Hell, I'm just getting warmed up again. You know I was almost illiterate till I was 26. I could read, but I was hardly able to write, with a pen, or a keyboard. I went to Uni and worked myself out. I'm 33 now and I do beleive my writing is getting better over the last year.

I just wish I knew what to do next. I can't seem to go from writing what I write to actually getting it out there. It drives me nuts.



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30 Aug 2008, 1:52 am

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I see.

Yeh I can understand what your saying now. The difference between you and me is that I do feel the need to create what I believe in and then paint that onto the surface of human reality. Even with my broken brain and physiology
Part of the far out part is the excessive self referentials.
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I am still a leader, not a follower, if only in spirit... There are temples to build, administration to pay for, people to convert, schools and universities to build, scientific research of every kind to fund. There is the very space beyond the Earth to reach out to and explore and learn to survive in. This takes money, this takes power, beyond what I am currently able to attain. I feel the need to be a leader and be an example of what the implications of the philosophies I teach would be like manifested in the flesh.


Right on. I have a great space exploration platform and I haven't even posted most of my starship designs yet over at my place.



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I believe in leaders and followers, and both positions are equally important. Some people may simply choose to rebel against any kind of leader that rises within human culture. Being a follower of someone's philosophies is nothing to be ashamed of. Rebelling against a philosopher, or more directly someone who writes religion, whose work is obviously of value to the survival of humanity out of stubborness is certainly questionable, but it is not for me to force people to follow what I teach. One isn't converted to Unviersalism through force of arms, one is converted to my religion through the philosophy itself, or not at all. I will not force people to believe in the religion I have created, Universalism speaks for itself. I am merely it's subserviant author. People are free to believe whatever insane information that relates to Existence that they wish to. Of course, with the extreme severity of my Aspergers I am hardly ever going to be a public speaker, capable of rhetoric that inspires the masses and converts them to my cause. I can write though. The thought of speaking to crowds of people is enough to put the very fear of God into me. It's quite something, to imagine, what I would be like as a human if I didn't have Aspergers, didn't have crippling anxiety and coulld speak to crowds with the same level of confidence that I am currently writing on this forum. People would be throwing their money at me, to hear what I have to say. Money I could put to actual use.


I don't like puublic speaking either. isn't the internet VUNDERBAAR?

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You really need to explore the link that I have posted above. It is a further exploration of my philosophies in more detail. Although I have deliberatly left out certain details. I don't want to give away all my secrets unless you all as forum readers make a true effort to engage my interest. I'm used to working alone. I find the process of sharing some of my philosopy cathartic but I am resigned to the fact that I am going to have to work completely alone and quite possibly completely unrecognized as an author.


heh. I know how it is to test a forum, but, so far this ones working pretty far above average as a whole.
And if you check my place i think you will see i hop any bars any body could put out there.




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I feel the need to take the philosophies I write and the religion I write, and take it to the next level.


me 2, i know just how that feels.
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I feel the need to paint the way I see reality onto the very surface of the Universe. I feel the need to paint the way I see the Universe, onto the very surface of Existence. And create a definitive presence on Earth, a physical presence in which people can rally around, long after I die. I would like Universalism as the foundation of a religion to have meaning as a concept until the very ends of human Existence. I certainly have designed the philosophy of Universalism so that, that can actually remain a possibility. I tend to think very far ahead. The proof of this concept is hidden in the link I have provided above.


okay, but if i go running off to check your links you have to check mine to be fair . No?
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Nothing less than the expression of my philosophies, in being founded as the basis of a long lasting religious institution, is sufficent to satisfy my need, my existential craving, my existential addiciton. Although I also accept the fact that I may die with what I need to be truely satisfied as a living being, having being totally unrealized, by my own failure to create the philosophy of my religion and found it on Earth. And I am resigned to the fact that I may never be realized as a true and constructive writer of religion.


okay, now you are kind of getting creepy with death and all on us. One mistake aspies or autists make easily is to put themselves to much into the middle of their communication. I'm willing and able to look past this, but NTs in general and many aspies are going to see this as pandering for a pity party- and- in some senses- it is.

I share your existential addiction, and i truly think i got your fix.
Lets get high together, yo.
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I just wish I knew what to do next. I can't seem to go from writing what I write to actually getting it out there. It drives me nuts


You need a community where its appropriate to fully download it all and know it will get respect and reciprocation it deserves.

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30 Aug 2008, 8:48 am

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A number is arbitrary in itself.

I decided to make a new thread about this.


A week has seven days because in the Book of Genesis God created the universe in seven days. Seven is an important number for that reason.

What will the Universalist Bible consist of? Will there be any kind of holy writings in this new religion?



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30 Aug 2008, 11:50 am

slowmutant wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A number is arbitrary in itself.

I decided to make a new thread about this.


A week has seven days because in the Book of Genesis God created the universe in seven days. Seven is an important number for that reason.

What will the Universalist Bible consist of? Will there be any kind of holy writings in this new religion?

Before I go any further in explaining why 7 days are in a week, don't tell me you're a creationist.. That would be too much.. :lol:



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30 Aug 2008, 11:55 am

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I believe in God, but not mainstream religion. I've had too many bad expirences with so-called "Christians" and bad expirences at most churches. I can only go to a Latin Catholic Mass but I can't stand it when the service is over and people try to chit chat with you as you are leaving. I am so tempted to scream, "Get away from me you f&^%$ perve!"


Now, now. No need to scream obscenities in church. Just say, "Excuse me. I'm on my way out." I don't like crowds, myself. I get very uncomfortable, anxious, and dizzy.



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30 Aug 2008, 12:19 pm

if there really whas a god the world woulnd be like its now its nothing more than a imaginary friend for adults to blame there problems on and to know where you go when you die
(this is only my theory not everyone thinks like i do) and if there really is a god i dont like him because he pretty much screwd up the world



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30 Aug 2008, 12:34 pm

z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A number is arbitrary in itself.

I decided to make a new thread about this.


A week has seven days because in the Book of Genesis God created the universe in seven days. Seven is an important number for that reason.

What will the Universalist Bible consist of? Will there be any kind of holy writings in this new religion?

Before I go any further in explaining why 7 days are in a week, don't tell me you're a creationist.. That would be too much.. :lol:


Seven of our 24-hr. caldendar days ... versus seven days of God's time ... probably not the same. If you stand outside of time and space, as God does, one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. :wink:



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30 Aug 2008, 12:44 pm

slowmutant wrote:
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
A number is arbitrary in itself.

I decided to make a new thread about this.


A week has seven days because in the Book of Genesis God created the universe in seven days. Seven is an important number for that reason.

What will the Universalist Bible consist of? Will there be any kind of holy writings in this new religion?

Before I go any further in explaining why 7 days are in a week, don't tell me you're a creationist.. That would be too much.. :lol:


Seven of our 24-hr. caldendar days ... versus seven days of God's time ... probably not the same. If you stand outside of time and space, as God does, one day is a thousand years and a thousand years is one day. :wink:


So, that in itself would mean that each day of Creation was a thousand years. If God made Adam and Eve at the very end of day 6, then the Heavens and the Earth would be about:
12,000 years old...

Sorry, you need 12 BILLION or thereabouts, so you should revise 2nd Peter then. :roll:



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30 Aug 2008, 12:52 pm

jup the religions theorys dont have even a very very slight realism in it the only reason people beleve in god is because of there parents forcing them to



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30 Aug 2008, 12:53 pm

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the only reason people beleve in god is because of there parents forcing them to


Nope.