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19 Aug 2008, 1:15 pm

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That is a bizarre argument. Autism and homosexuality as punishment for what? What have I done to deserve autism?

BTW I like being autistic. It is not a punishment to me.

well, because of the original sin, all humanity was cursed, first with death, then with diseases and "anomalies". I would assume they would consider homosexuality as a disease or anomaly, most likely that, they consider it to be unnatural anyway. Well, autism is considered by many to be a disoder, therefore an anomaly.


If god blames me for the actions of my far distant ancestors, then god is unjust and is unworthy of my regard.

If god exists, I would not worship him if he is so cruel

So if original sin is correct, then god is cruel.

Well, yes, the depiction of him in some religions and literal interpretations of the Bible, is to be an unjust and cruel god, mostly in the OT. Some would argue that he sacrificied his son for us, in a benevolent act, but still, it doesn't make much sense, looking at it that way.

It is a belief system, and that is the interpretation of conservative or fundamentalist christians, it is a good thing that not all christians believe this about homosexuality though.

It would be, unjust and cruel for people, to prevent LGBT people to gain equal rights and the freedom to live their sexuality as everyone else, for a belief system that it can turn out to be false. After all, the only evidence we see, is that people are the ones who interpretate, enforce and practice the rules and norms in any society.


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19 Aug 2008, 1:45 pm

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Wait until they die, and discover that intolerance, hatred and bigotry are sins, and that they aren't going where they thought they were :lol:



screw waiting until they die. they won't find out anything because they'll be dead and gone and the hate they've helped spread will continue.



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19 Aug 2008, 1:54 pm

Even if homosexuality were a choice, what right does anyone have to say anything about the relationship of two consenting adults?



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19 Aug 2008, 1:58 pm

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Even if homosexuality were a choice, what right does anyone have to say anything about the relationship of two consenting adults?



the great invisible sloth in the sky will kill you if you don't kill and spread hatred of gays.


duuhhhh.



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19 Aug 2008, 1:58 pm

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Even if homosexuality were a choice, what right does anyone have to say anything about the relationship of two consenting adults?


Exactly.

I bet a lot of these bigots, who spread hatred of homosexuality, dislike the government telling them what to do, yet they are doing the exact same thing to their "flock". They are hypocrites.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:04 pm

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Even if homosexuality were a choice, what right does anyone have to say anything about the relationship of two consenting adults?

Yes, I agree, I believe there are some circumstances in which homosexuality could be a choice, or at least part of it, so yes, that would be irrelevant.


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19 Aug 2008, 2:17 pm

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Homosexuality? Doesn't matter to me, but I still think "gay pride" parades are the dumbest thing ever. I mean, what is there to be proud of there? Whether you're gay, straight, or bi, what about sexual orientation makes you "proud" to be it? Imagine if there was a straight pride parade....wouldn't you think that was utterly absurd?


Gay pride was created in an effort to raise awareness about gays and to make gays feel proud of who they are, not shameful like it is usually the case. All my gay friends were raised in a way that made them ashamed of being gay (bullied in school, often shunned by their peers and family), when in fact, they are the most creative , sweet and educated people I know.

Today, this sounds maybe strange, but back then, gay pride played a major role in putting gays in the public eye so they could be accepted by society. :P



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19 Aug 2008, 2:20 pm

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Homosexuality? Doesn't matter to me, but I still think "gay pride" parades are the dumbest thing ever. I mean, what is there to be proud of there? Whether you're gay, straight, or bi, what about sexual orientation makes you "proud" to be it? Imagine if there was a straight pride parade....wouldn't you think that was utterly absurd?


Gay pride was created in an effort to raise awareness about gays and to make gays feel proud of who they are, not shameful like it is usually the case. All my gay friends were raised in a way that made them ashamed of being gay (bullied in school, often shunned by their peers and family), when in fact, they are the most creative , sweet and educated people I know.

Today, this sounds maybe strange, but back then, gay pride played a major role in putting gays in the public eye so they could be accepted by society. :P


I agree with this. Nicely written.

I also favour Autistic Pride too. We should be proud of being different and not view it as a disorder or weakness.



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19 Aug 2008, 2:22 pm

michel wrote:
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Homosexuality? Doesn't matter to me, but I still think "gay pride" parades are the dumbest thing ever. I mean, what is there to be proud of there? Whether you're gay, straight, or bi, what about sexual orientation makes you "proud" to be it? Imagine if there was a straight pride parade....wouldn't you think that was utterly absurd?


Gay pride was created in an effort to raise awareness about gays and to make gays feel proud of who they are, not shameful like it is usually the case. All my gay friends were raised in a way that made them ashamed of being gay (bullied in school, often shunned by their peers and family), when in fact, they are the most creative , sweet and educated people I know.

Today, this sounds maybe strange, but back then, gay pride played a major role in putting gays in the public eye so they could be accepted by society. :P


i want my atheist pride parade.

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19 Aug 2008, 2:33 pm

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Today, this sounds maybe strange, but back then, gay pride played a major role in putting gays in the public eye so they could be accepted by society. :P


I grew up in a little village in England in the 60's. I was indoctrinated by the views of society, parents and the church at the time and thought that homosexuality was something disgusting, vile and sinful. It was only when I went to university and talked to and mixed with some gay people that my eyes were opened and the bigotry lifted. Things like gay pride helped to break the prejudice.
Nowadays a persons sexuality is a none-issue to me. I feel annoyed with organised religions that continue to pump the poison into people's minds linking homosexuality with sin and perversion.



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19 Aug 2008, 3:49 pm

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No growth is possible without change. :idea:


I am a bisexual-and refuse to try and change (which I can't I was born this way)
and as long as these people try to change me I refuse to accept what they say


When I say "change" I don't really mean your sexuality. Of course I realize you can't change that part of yourself.



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19 Aug 2008, 4:04 pm

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point is those biggots are wrong, and stupid


BIgots have no compassion for others, no humility. That, I believe is wrong and stupid. But it's human nature.



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19 Aug 2008, 6:38 pm

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In your opinion is homosexuality a bad thing??


Good and bad are purely subjective. What difference will the subjective opinions of others make in the way you live your life?



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19 Aug 2008, 7:10 pm

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In your opinion is homosexuality a bad thing??


Good and bad are purely subjective. What difference will the subjective opinions of others make in the way you live your life?



to varying degrees. my question is how can homosexuality be bad?

i mean if it's observed objectively...who does it hurt? what negative effect does it achieve for it to be viewed as wrong?



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19 Aug 2008, 7:11 pm

skafather84 wrote:
claire333 wrote:
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In your opinion is homosexuality a bad thing??


Good and bad are purely subjective. What difference will the subjective opinions of others make in the way you live your life?



to varying degrees. my question is how can homosexuality be bad?

i mean if it's observed objectively...who does it hurt? what negative effect does it achieve for it to be viewed as wrong?


This is a good question and demands an answer for those who would condemn homosexuality.



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19 Aug 2008, 7:31 pm

skafather84 wrote:
to varying degrees. my question is how can homosexuality be bad?

i mean if it's observed objectively...who does it hurt? what negative effect does it achieve for it to be viewed as wrong?


I do not perceive it to be bad. Therefore, I am not certain I could give a fully objective observation due to being biased by my own subjective opinion.

But what difference does it make anyway? If I say it is bad does that make it bad? If I say it is good does that make it good? Is my opinion going to change views or the way anyone lives their life?

The fact is, the Christians who think homosexuals are going to Hell are not going to make such judgements because they know that is their God's job and not for them to decide.

Everyone else is simply going to give the OP the confirmations he seems to be seeking.

I am just questioning what difference it really makes.