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30 Aug 2008, 11:23 am

See, slowmutant, now that "I don't know" mentality is my biggest gripe with all world religions. Moreso than the "All there is to know has been revealed" mentality.
That's just my views as a scientist; I HATE both when people draw conclusions with clearly false information; or that they admit lack of knowledge, but still do not hesitate to draw a conclusion.
By my opinion, religious people lack patience am- wanting answers and wanting them yesterday...
Maybe I'm wrong; but taking answers from 2000, 3000 year old texts, prophets and mysterious apparitions rather than actively endeavouring to identify truths seems... Well, almost fraudulent, somehow. Claiming the cow but rejecting the slaughter, so to speak.


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30 Aug 2008, 11:28 am

I do not pretend to be all-knowing. Does that offend you?



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30 Aug 2008, 11:34 am

Not almost fraudulent somehow. Why the hesitation? It's obvious the whole legend is merely that created by people who had no idea whatsoever about how the universe or life or mankind came to be. Admittedly they had no resources at the time to find out but why play the naive child about it now when we know so much more? There is nothing wrong with accepting standards of morality but I don't need primitive concepts to justify them. I behave decently because it seems to me civil life would be pure chaos if I didn't and I am not fond of chaos. Many religions have this inner conviction that humans inherently would be brutal without the threat of imaginary forces to keep them in line. That seems to me to be totally incorrect.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:41 am

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I'm sure you are earnestly trying to communicate, but I don't speak Latin and you probably would not be happy if I tried to reply in my crappy Finnish.


Spanish: What did you say?



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30 Aug 2008, 11:42 am

Humans are brutal in any case. These imaginary forces are only imaginary if you do not believe.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:44 am

Oh boy! Now even the English is indecipherable.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:46 am

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Oh boy! Now even the English is indecipherable.


BTW, is Finnish an Indo-European language? I've read that it wasn't.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:46 am

I used to believe in the Easter bunny but I don't think that made it any less imaginary.



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30 Aug 2008, 11:49 am

slowmutant wrote:
I do not pretend to be all-knowing. Does that offend you?


Did you even pay attention to what I just said?
You admit you don't know all; yet you've reached a conclusion to be a part of that thing.
Logical inconsistency - like a calculation missing fractions of formulae, the conclusion is flawed.
Act with full knowledge, but hold patience with little or none.
As sand said, we now have the capacity to know more - leaping blindly into musty ancient doctrine is fallacy; so, I repeat, in all things patience is key.


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30 Aug 2008, 11:51 am

Finnish, Estonian, Hungarian, Sami (Lap) and a few languages in Russia all belong to the same group.



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30 Aug 2008, 12:00 pm

Ishmael wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
I do not pretend to be all-knowing. Does that offend you?


Did you even pay attention to what I just said?
You admit you don't know all; yet you've reached a conclusion to be a part of that thing.
Logical inconsistency - like a calculation missing fractions of formulae, the conclusion is flawed.
Act with full knowledge, but hold patience with little or none.
As sand said, we now have the capacity to know more - leaping blindly into musty ancient doctrine is fallacy; so, I repeat, in all things patience is key.


Don't get nasty with me, fella. You've made your point, so just back off.



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30 Aug 2008, 12:06 pm

Right. Let's not get nasty by being reasonable. That's carrying things a bit too far.



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30 Aug 2008, 12:07 pm

Good grief does this sound scripted.



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30 Aug 2008, 8:19 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Sand wrote:
Oh boy! Now even the English is indecipherable.


BTW, is Finnish an Indo-European language? I've read that it wasn't.

It's Uralic, so no.


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07 Mar 2010, 2:19 am

evolution exists no doubt. it's just that the accepted mechanisms of evolution are incomplete or inaccurate. and evolution isn't purely biological; it's also chemical.



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07 Mar 2010, 2:31 am

Villette wrote:
evolution exists no doubt. it's just that the accepted mechanisms of evolution are incomplete or inaccurate. and evolution isn't purely biological; it's also chemical.


The chemistry and physics of living things are all biological.