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15 Mar 2017, 4:48 pm

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Hey Angela,

I'm curious since you want to get into the healthcare industry, how do you feel about 24 million people losing their insurance and the tens of thousands of deaths that will result due to Trumpcare?


I've already been in healthcare for 15 yrs. It has never been as bad as with Obamacare - I even lost my doctor. I even had to go without insurance because I couldn't afford Obamacare when I lost my job. I see anything as an improvement.


I wouldn't go quite so far as seeing "anything" as an improvement,
but I get where you're coming from.


And yet, millions of Americans who hadn't had health insurance have it now. Many of them won't soon, thanks to the Republicans.


Yeah that pre-existing condition thing and the lifetime payout cap were just great. Let's go back to the good old days where insurance companies could screw people out of their benefits with near impunity. :roll:



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15 Mar 2017, 4:51 pm

I did not have health insurance through my employer; I had bought the least expensive coverage I could find. I didn't want my friends and family to bankrupt themselves to save my life, and I certainly don't intend to save a life of indentured servitude. To prevent that, I got a policy which would only cover the most serious illness; I had a $10K deductible. I paid for everything out of pocket, and when it got expensive I had trouble.

Under the ACA, my old policy did not meet the minimum requirements. The new policy cost twice as much, $300/month, but covered vastly more.

Losing your doctor seems like a failure to explore available options, but healthcare does require a lot of attention.


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15 Mar 2017, 4:56 pm

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I did not have health insurance through my employer; I had bought the least expensive coverage I could find. I didn't want my friends and family to bankrupt themselves to save my life, and I certainly don't intend to save a life of indentured servitude. To prevent that, I got a policy which would only cover the most serious illness; I had a $10K deductible. I paid for everything out of pocket, and when it got expensive I had trouble.

Under the ACA, my old policy did not meet the minimum requirements. The new policy cost twice as much, $300/month, but covered vastly more.

Losing your doctor seems like a failure to explore available options, but healthcare does require a lot of attention.


It like saying "who cares about the people that got insurance and were able to go to the doctor? Obamacare didn't help me personally, so I think it's bad."



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15 Mar 2017, 5:23 pm

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It like saying "who cares about the people that got insurance and were able to go to the doctor? Obamacare didn't help me personally, so I think it's bad."

People will care whether things affect them personally. I haven't even gone back over my objections to the ACA. I favored single-payer.


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15 Mar 2017, 5:38 pm

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It like saying "who cares about the people that got insurance and were able to go to the doctor? Obamacare didn't help me personally, so I think it's bad."

People will care whether things affect them personally. I haven't even gone back over my objections to the ACA. I favored single-payer.


Same here, Medicare for all. I always viewed Obamacare as sort of the duct tape patching up the most problem areas of our system. It made things better than it was but it's still just a bad system.



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15 Mar 2017, 5:49 pm

Lukeda420 wrote:
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It like saying "who cares about the people that got insurance and were able to go to the doctor? Obamacare didn't help me personally, so I think it's bad."

People will care whether things affect them personally. I haven't even gone back over my objections to the ACA. I favored single-payer.


Same here, Medicare for all. I always viewed Obamacare as sort of the duct tape patching up the most problem areas of our system. It made things better than it was but it's still just a bad system.


Well, when the Republicans lose big in the coming elections, due to the "forgotten men and women" they claim to represent losing their health coverage, single payer might become a reality.


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15 Mar 2017, 6:13 pm

I underestimated the fickleness of the public, as usual. The only hope for straight up revoking Obamacare passed long ago. All the current elected officials want to do now is keep their jobs while actually having to do something for once. I'm not the first to say it, healthcare is hard.


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15 Mar 2017, 6:15 pm

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I underestimated the fickleness of the public, as usual. The only hope for straight up revoking Obamacare passed long ago. All the current elected officials want to do now is keep their jobs while actually having to do something for once. I'm not the first to say it, healthcare is hard.


Trump was amazed healthcare was so hard! :lol:


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15 Mar 2017, 6:57 pm

I wish. Seriously, if confusion has to precede learning, then ego interferes with accepting confusion, and aggression is the last resort, I think I know where this is headed.


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15 Mar 2017, 9:48 pm

Trump also has a rich fantasy life.


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16 Mar 2017, 12:59 am

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There have been times when I could have and maybe should have gone to the emergency room but I sucked it up took care of it myself.

How is this relevant to America's health care situation? This works for you, great, but frankly I am not all that impressed by a young male's good health. The trouble is not everyone is in good health and suggesting that health care is simply not necessary is deliberately obtuse. Society is set up for the success and promotion of the well functioning, but ignoring those who aren't won't make them go away.



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16 Mar 2017, 1:56 am

Conservative thinking on health care....
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Liberal thinking on health care ...
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16 Mar 2017, 2:04 am

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Conservative thinking on health care....
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Freedom to starve.
And as far as the right's concept of freedom is concerned, it's failed because so many business people - who tend to be conservative - are too miserly to employ more people, and provide good wages and benefits. Far too many business leaders see what they do as nothing but a get-rich-quick-scheme, with absolutely no interest in helping their fellow citizens.


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16 Mar 2017, 2:20 am

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Freedom to starve.
And as far as the right's concept of freedom is concerned, it's failed because so many business people - who tend to be conservative - are too miserly to employ more people, and provide good wages and benefits. Far too many business leaders see what they do as nothing but a get-rich-quick-scheme, with absolutely no interest in helping their fellow citizens.

So, you claim to know the greater good ?



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16 Mar 2017, 3:37 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Freedom to starve.


Freedom to starve or the freedom not to be fed by force? Should I assume you're in favour of mandatory coverage from this statement?

Have you noticed how that's actually about liberty rather than change or lack thereof? I would have thought the word "freedom" something of a clue.

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And as far as the right's concept of freedom is concerned, it's failed because so many business people - who tend to be conservative - are too miserly to employ more people, and provide good wages and benefits. Far too many business leaders see what they do as nothing but a get-rich-quick-scheme, with absolutely no interest in helping their fellow citizens.


What an incredibly bigoted perspective you have, grandma.

Running a successful business requires efficient use of resources. Hiring additional staff willy-nilly due to a misplaced sense of altruism would be a great way of screwing up the lives of everyone who works for your company.

People who run successful businesses help their fellow citizens a great deal more than you manage to with your unfounded rhetoric and gross generalisations about the motivations and mindset of "typically conservative business people".



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16 Mar 2017, 4:11 am

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And the only handiwork you've accomplished is showing the hypocrisy of the right - you'll preach about how much you're for family values, but if means you have to lighten your wallet to help families in need, then your cries of family values become screeches of "leach! parasite! deadbeat!"


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I like this cartoon, it kind of nails it.